The anti edl demo today was pretty much as you describe, it was unbelievable seeing all the people just leaving the edl in the pub and heading off for a jaw jaw in the park. Today was badly organised, and where it was organised well it led to very poor action against the fash.

We need people (or groups) prepared to meet this virus of the edl head on, no talking in the park over P.A systems, or rah rahs through the city (away from the fash no less!!!) Look at how France, Italy or Greece Antifa deal with the fash there. They take it serious, and organise to confront them, not find out where they are, chant for a bit, then leave cos there are alot of police there.

Many people i talked to were not pleased about how the day panned out, many went there to stand against the edl and in solidarity with the muslim community of glasgow, not walk around the city, go to the green, then walk around the city again.

I will post some pics and video of the whole thing tomorrow.

Well done for opposing the EDL today mate - we went to a UAF stall in London today, and, surprise surprise, they'd set-up their stall right next to an SWP stall, as if to deliberately alienate as many Saturday shoppers as possible from the good parts of the UAF message

Please post the Glasgow protest photos on Flickr ASAP  :)

Previous comments just about sum the day up, there was an altercation in Buchanan Street which could have got nastier, with about a dozen EDL scumbags singing Rule Brittania and God Save The Queen, I was joining in with the "Nazis scum off our street" routine  when  two younger louts saw my Palestinian scarf and started spitting, now that made me MAD, and I went after them. I was way beyond the police line screaming at them when I realised I didn't have a Plan B... there was no one with me!  Time for a sharp exit, I am 5 feet, 55 years old and all of a sudden I was a scaredy cat!  Bottom line is, it was a damp squib, they achieved absolutely nothing, and the 4 idiots trying to provoke our stall got short shrift from the police.

I reckon about three to four hundred marched from St.Enochs up to the pub where the EDL/SDL were . Maybe  100 Strathies were outside keeping the anti-fascists away and as soon as the main march arrived there were calls to go around the block to the other end. The Strathies quickly reinforced and cordoned off both ends of the street. At this point  the UAF section of the march decided to walk away - down to Glasgow Green - leaving maybe 50 or so to protest where the fascists were. I found this incredible. The only way to deal with the fasc is to run them off the streets, give them no space, heckle the sods but never walk away! About 12:15 the fasc came out of the pub heavily surrounded by cops who let them walk 50 to 100 yards up the street where they sang Rule Britannia and threw fascist salutes. After 15 - 20 minutes they were marched back the way they had come to be put on two buses and driven out of town. At this point some of the group that had walked away returned. If they had stayed the anti-fascists would have outnumbered the SDL about 5 to 1.

We all walked back down to George Square and rumours were around of small groups of fascists about the city centre. There followed a period of searching and general movement until a big demonstration of about 2000 came up from Glasgow Green towards George Square. If they had been at the pub we would have outnumbered the SDL 40 or 50 to 1. There then followed more rushing about the centre rooting out fascists. I saw five of the nazis nicked. Also at least one anti was arrested, maybe two. On the whole I thought Strathclyde police did a good job blocking the fasc and keeping them from assembling on the street. Generally a successful day but what were the UAF playing at?

Since the day I saw in here that there would be an antifa demo in Glasgow I have been looking forward to it. I was hopping that at least this one demo could be a massive one. I live here for 3 years and although I find there are so many and huge problems in your society, I haven't seen any massive movements so far; and believe me, I have searched.

Anyway, since no one of the few people I know here was willing to come to the demo I decided to go alone. I have years of experience in demos and going alone in an antifa demo is not the best thing. For this, I had decided from the beginning that if I saw that there would not be enough people there, I would leave. But I stayed.

I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but what is the matter with you people???!!! I couldn't believe in my eyes with what happened today. I have no idea who the people that left were, but you keep blaming them, while the fault is not only theirs. I agree they are to be blamed, but HOW is it possible that you are not able to organise a massive response to the fascists? Where are the anarchists, where are the lefts, what is happening in this country?

These people need to be shown opposition and this was not even near to that! Yes, it is a disgrace that the others left and went to oppose to NO ONE in the park. But what about the rest of you? I am terrified in the thought that only 50 people in Glasgow can stand up to the fascists and that they cannot find more people to join them. And although personally I have no problem whatsoever with rough confrontation, it didn't have to be rough. And because the Greek Antifa was mentioned in another commend, I have to say that most of the times all we have to do is shout at them. The only thing that was needed today, was 200, 300, 500 people standing infront of the fascists and screaming with one voice at them! Constantly and agressively. Believe me, this would have been enough, they would be wishing the ground would swallow them. They are only "brave" when they are more and have a weak one in front of them, they are all the same, in all countries.

But of course, all these need more than 50 people in order to happen.

More photo's from today here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/filkaler/

Anonymous wrote:

The anti edl demo today was pretty much as you describe, it was unbelievable seeing all the people just leaving the edl in the pub and heading off for a jaw jaw in the park. Today was badly organised, and where it was organised well it led to very poor action against the fash.

We need people (or groups) prepared to meet this virus of the edl head on, no talking in the park over P.A systems, or rah rahs through the city (away from the fash no less!!!) Look at how France, Italy or Greece Antifa deal with the fash there. They take it serious, and organise to confront them, not find out where they are, chant for a bit, then leave cos there are alot of police there.

Many people i talked to were not pleased about how the day panned out, many went there to stand against the edl and in solidarity with the muslim community of glasgow, not walk around the city, go to the green, then walk around the city again.

I will post some pics and video of the whole thing tomorrow.

 

I've pretty much already said my piece in the response to the "open letter to the UAF" article, but I'd like to reiterate it.UAF have gone beyond being unhelpful and bang into just playing at being protesters. Weyman Bennett, take a fucking bow.

 

- Jimmy

 

 

Couldn't agree with "a Greek" anymore. I have been saying things like this for a while. The way i see it is this:

Unless we have an effect, strong numbers groups to oppose the fash, NOT run or over run by SWPs then we are in trouble. The problem we have here is that the left is mostly run by the SWPs, they are a party at the end of the day and have party political ambitions. By nature this limits what they will and will not do.  The anarchists are not strong enough in number in Glasgow at the moment it seems. Could we set up a proper Antifa here in Glasgow, rather than just having only Antifa stickers in Glasgow?

There is also quite a good fly on the wall report here http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2009/11/14/glasgow-14-november-scott... one

The consensus of the various eyewitness and news reports - both on Indymedia and elsewhere - on the Cambridge Street incident seems to clearly indicate the following.

The UAF/SWP/Scotland United contingent left St Enoch Square to follow the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA contingent up to Cambridge Street. They then tried to lead it/commandeer it on the trek up to Cambridge Street. Having got there the UAF/SWP/Scotland United didn't hang about for long, and then led a lot of people away again down to Glasgow Green, taking a lot of unaligned people (and perhaps some confused SSP/Anarchists) with them in the melee.

This seems to have then left the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA contingent with less people at Cambridge Street than they arrived with. In short, it would have been better had they told the UAF/SWP/Scotland United contingent when they tried to follow them, thanks but no thanks. Or if you wanted to be less police "f*** off".

It seems clear the UAF/SWP/Scotland United set out up to Cambridge Street not with the sincere intent of joining in, but to blindly obey party (and police orders) to stay well away from the Scottish Defence League protest, and encourage and lead others away from doing so. That seems to be the whole point of why they were there instead of gathering at Glasgow Green - to sabotage the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA march and protest. That would explain why they didn't integrate, but instead gathered separately in a huddle in St Enoch Square away from the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA contingent.

The UAF/SWP took clear advantage of the lack of leadership in the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA, and the pre-programmed inclination of the UAF/SWP/Scotland United contingent to do what there told, or follow/copy what the majority seemed to be doing.

The SSP/Anarchist/GAFA could learn a lesson there that is essential to have some semblence of leadership, otherwise you leave yourself wide open to have some Pied Piper of the SWP, like Weyman Bennett, spiriting people away.

There are some that might suggest calling for the resignation of Weyman Bennett. Personally, I think that might be going to far, but at the very least you should call for some sort of investigation and disciplining by his party/campaign group.

His actions in leading people away left supposedly fellow protestors and comrades exposed and in danger. That can not, should not and will not be tolerated within the movement.
 

 

As someone who completely regrets the shambles of the initial confrontation on Cambridge St, I would like to inform you of my experiences of what led to this.

Rumour had it that our spotter knew of 15 SDL tools in the Cambridge Bar and upon hearing of this, a big group of us got there immediately. Upon arrival, the Strathies were out in force and blacked out vans and cars started to arrive and park along the edges of Cambridge St. Considering such a huge portion of us were up that far, I and many others thought a kettle was imminent  and we called for the others to get back as it did not seem worth losing what felt like a majority of the demo to a kettle for the sake of 15 SDL. I don't doubt that this was a flaw, but as it was such an early part of the day, and we were expecting a lot more SDL trouble, it felt logical at the time. Many SWP people were shouting that we had to leave, not out of fear of a kettle, but to hurriedly get up to Glasgow Green as the speeches were starting soon. There was absolute confusion. An SSP comrade came back from the face off with the Strathies to tell us that we were safe to keep going and it's worked out alright and if I remember correctly we then marched on to the right of the Strathies.

However, I then managed to be led to Glasgow Green and as a foreigner who doesn't know all the names nor the layout of the streets, it was not until myself and another SSP comrade asked where this was going, did we realise.

The only thing I can say that was positive about going to Glasgow Green was that it gave me the opportunity to go take a dump in the Peoples' Palace.

We then got a text from our spotter informing us that the SDL were doing their thing on Cambridge St and despite legging it back as fast as we could, they had been bussed out just as we arrived.

Glasgow Green was nonsense. Those speeches were nonsense. And unfortunately those who took it upon themselves to coordinate the march away from where it was needed were full of self serving/self important nonsense.

I consider the day very successful as there was a huge turnout and the racists didn't get to hurt anyone nor did they accomplish anything they set out to do. However it was successful INSPITE of the Glasgow Green fiasco and to those groups who organised and backed it, I will not be forgetting this vainglorious display anytime soon.

So far everyone here seem to be people who stayed to confront the SDL and were (rightly) disappointed and angry that the rest of us marched on. I'll give you my version of the day.

I came to the St Enoch assembly, as a member of a group that had been meeting for over a month at Glasgow Uni to mobilise and organise for yesterday's event. When the march started, heading up Buchanan Street, as far as I knew we didn't know where the SDL had decided to assemble, and actually thought we were just starting to march for the sake of having our march (possible the SDL weren't gonna turn up at all). I asked people around me and they, like me, didn't know the SDL had been spotted. As the march turned up Cambridge Street, a number of us stayed on Sauchiehall Street, for fear of being kettled (I saw police and their vans heading the same way as the march, but didn't realise why, partly because of the police's attempt to control our direction earlier in the march). I asked a group of people who told me the SDL were in a pub "two minutes up the road". Unfortunately, I didn't take this literally as 'a pub two minutes up this road' and I didn't ask(!) which pub it was either. SO, as the march again went up Cambridge Street and turned right towards Cineworld, I never even noticed that we were going away from something, or the hundred-odd police lined up on Cambridge Street. Concerned only by not poking out anyone's eye with my umbrella and not walking in puddles (...or something like that) I walked on until those 'two minutes' seemed awfully long. As we turned down Renfield Street(?) someone asked me where we were going, and I told her we were going to a pub where the SDL were. Fooled! I never thought all these people would be giving up the chance to actually confront the SDL.

Afterwards, I have learned from others about the SDL presence and the split on Cambridge Street, and having seen video footage of the police presence I honestly can't believe I missed what was going on. But I did, and many with me, I'm sure. There was a lot of confusion for sure, but to those who saw me and others walk by, obediently following after the UAF lead, I can only say I'm sorry and I really hope we won't have a situation like this next time. I don't know what the solution is, better communication? No UAF lead of the march, for sure.

Link to footage of the day: http://www.youtube.com/user/civillianslave#p/u

I guess I am one of the people "Martin O' Neill" refers to, and I'd like to say something. I don't doubt anarchists exist in Glasgow. I've seen a couple of websites from some groups. I do believe that meetings are important, but showing up at the streets is what makes the difference. That's what I know at least.  

So who were the 50 odd getting marched through King St car park at around 10.30-11.00

Anonymous wrote:

So who were the 50 odd getting marched through King St car park at around 10.30-11.00

I have no idea who these 50 were as we were all at St. Enochs or heading up to Cambridge st. at that time. I'm sorry for "one of the confused mass" not being aware of what was going on. All Ican say is next time go with your mates, keep mobile within the crowd and go and see for yourself. There was, possibly, a chance of us getting kettled when we first arrived which is why my group were calling for people to swing around the block to get to the other end of Cambridge St. This would also have blocked in the fasc from both ends if everyone had stayed. What is with this UAF? Are they anotherr SWP front or, as some have suggested to me, Labour Party. The old Anti-nazi League was an SWP front but at least they knew to face down the nazis on the streets.

Anonymous wrote:

So who were the 50 odd getting marched through King St car park at around 10.30-11.00

Yes...50 people -no matter who they were- in the largest city of Scotland. And that's a good thing?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So who were the 50 odd getting marched through King St car park at around 10.30-11.00

Yes...50 people -no matter who they were- in the largest city of Scotland. And that's a good thing?

  I was staying in the Holiday Inn I didn't know anything about anything that was going on this weekend in the city, I was just checking out after a few days work. I was parked in King St car park and all of a sudden saw 50 or so lads coming from the direction on the Saltmarket and heading toward Stockwell street / St Enochs and then the plod arriving from Clyde Street. I knew there was no major football matches on this weekend due to the internationals, it's sad that the first thing I thought of in light of this was the far right. I got got curious and found this site.

  As someone who was really into the casual scene in my youth I know that  far right politics had no place in the origins of 80s terrace culture. There was a lot of black faces amongst the dressers at the match especially in the casual hotbed here in the North West, they were often at the forefront of what was going on back then. The maggots that would turn up to hand out their NF lit were often sent on their toes the minute they arrived. I hate the way the SDL/EDL carry out their campaigns in the name of the football casual, It reminds me of the NF skins of the late 70s. As far away removed from the original movement as you can get.

Well, the demo from Buchanan Street was not led by the UAF but by people who I would say, were anarchists. And the same people marched off to Glasgow Green, along with the UAF, SSP and other organisations. Everyone was free to make up their own minds if they were to go that direction.  In hindsight we might have been better to be in Cambridge Street as that turned out to be the place where the SDL were concentrated, but that wasn't known at the time. It didn't even become apparent that they were going to protest there until they actually left the pub . In fact there wasn't any certainty that they would turn up in Glasgow at all. So this nonsense it was the UAF/SWP who were to 'blame' is just that, nonsense. It was only when it became apparent that the nazis were attempting to march that people marched from the Green, and they started to arrive minutes after the scum had been bussed away. So if people had known that the SDL were there and were going to march there, then they could have got a similar response from the demonstrators before the SDL moved. If people were so convinced that marching away was wrong then why didn't they argue that at the time or even just not go with the rest?  Nobody knew for certain what was going on and anybody now who says they did know, is being wise after the event, to put it kindly..

I think it was right to be part of the demo and when or if the nazis protested, to move out from there and confront them. This is what happened on the day. There was always a danger of being kettled for the duration. We could have been stuck outside the Cambridge while the nazis marched in a different part of the city. That didn't happen either.  

So be happy that because of mass opposition a tiny number of nazis  turned up, were quarantined in a pub and we saw the biggest ever anti racist, anti fascist demo in Scotland.

A success.

Anonymous wrote:

I guess I am one of the people "Martin O' Neill" refers to, and I'd like to say something. I don't doubt anarchists exist in Glasgow. I've seen a couple of websites from some groups. I do believe that meetings are important, but showing up at the streets is what makes the difference. That's what I know at least.  

 

Showing up at the streets is what makes the difference, but so is getting organised at meetings before going on to the streets. 

Anonymous wrote:

So this nonsense it was the UAF/SWP who were to 'blame' is just that, nonsense. It was only when it became apparent that the nazis were attempting to march that people marched from the Green, and they started to arrive minutes after the scum had been bussed away. So if people had known that the SDL were there and were going to march there, then they could have got a similar response from the demonstrators before the SDL moved. If people were so convinced that marching away was wrong then why didn't they argue that at the time or even just not go with the rest? 

We did argue that at the time.

Listen UAF: You turned up with megaphones to hijack a demonstration that you had tried and failed to prevent. You split the demonstration which was successfully opposing the fascists, for your own sectarian reasons, to get people to Glasgow Green. You were willing to leave a small group to face potential attack on their own. You are a disgrace.

It's no wonder the SWP is collapsing and nobody trusts a word they say any more.

Anonymous wrote:

Well done for opposing the EDL today mate - we went to a UAF stall in London today, and, surprise surprise, they'd set-up their stall right next to an SWP stall, as if to deliberately alienate as many Saturday shoppers as possible from the good parts of the UAF message

Please post the Glasgow protest photos on Flickr ASAP  :)

Photos can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/jpwood/

Enjoy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So this nonsense it was the UAF/SWP who were to 'blame' is just that, nonsense. It was only when it became apparent that the nazis were attempting to march that people marched from the Green, and they started to arrive minutes after the scum had been bussed away. So if people had known that the SDL were there and were going to march there, then they could have got a similar response from the demonstrators before the SDL moved. If people were so convinced that marching away was wrong then why didn't they argue that at the time or even just not go with the rest? 

We did argue that at the time.

Listen UAF: You turned up with megaphones to hijack a demonstration that you had tried and failed to prevent. You split the demonstration which was successfully opposing the fascists, for your own sectarian reasons, to get people to Glasgow Green. You were willing to leave a small group to face potential attack on their own. You are a disgrace.

It's no wonder the SWP is collapsing and nobody trusts a word they say any more.

 

Turned up with megaphones? Is there no end to our deviousness?

UAF didn't'split ' the demo. The entire demo, bar maybe a dozen people, marched off away from the pub.It marched because no one, even you, knew where the SDL were or where they were going to demonstrate. And there would a real danger of being kettled while the nazis demonstrated elsewhere. That would have been a particularly stupid thing to allow to have happened. 

UAF and the rest of the demonstrators have to do what a small group of demonstrators want to do? Is that democratic? If a small group of demonstrators stick their heads in a noose we are supposed to follow them? 

You can do what you like to fight the fascists just don't go around bleating that others have the good sense not to behave like idiots and let the police trap them for no reason.

I'm told that the antifa were going up to the pub in Paisley Road West to attack the nazis. This was all your own initiative how did that go?

 Hi all,

I was one of the (many) people that helped organise the St Enoch's demo at 10am. All i wanted to say is that i think that Saturday was pretty much a success. Yes there were tactical mistakes, i think we shouldn't have gone down to Glasgow green in the end. However, the problem was that the police were starting to kettle us on cambridge st (i saw it with my own eyes they started to create a line near the junction wi buchanan st) and we had to make a snap decision. At the time the intelligence we had (from the edl phone line) was that they were assembled in 5 different pubs round the city and that it would have been pointless to get kettled off and loose are mobility to oppose them on cambridge st. Instead of going to glasgow green we maybe should have moved to somewhere in the town centre and had our own rally with the megaphones. But forget thou we did organise a breakaway of 250+ folk from Glasgow green that marched up back to Cambridge st once we realised they were all there. The reason that the polis moved them onto the buses when they did, cos they knew that a group were heading up back to the Cambridge. So we did manage to stop them moving through the streets and having any type of meaningful rally for any serious amount of time. 

I agree that the role of some of the UAF people was terrible (albeit a little predictable) lets not forget though that when we were at the top of Buchanan street and Weyman Bennett was telling everyone over a megaphone to go to Glasgow green everyone ignored him and continued to the Cambridge. 

Lets not distort what happened. yes there were mistakes because people had to make snap decisions quickly but we managed to stop the SDL assembling on the streets and having any kind of mobility. If we had stayed on Cambridge street we would have been kettled and moved away from the fascists. the police would then have been able to let them have their rally for as long as they wanted and even let them march under police protection. we managed to make the SDL action completely ineffective because we maintained mobility on the day.

comradely,

Patrick

Mainstream press coverage:

EEN:
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/You-can39t-take--any.582478...

Herald:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/nato-assembly-meeting-in-edi...

BBC Scotland: SDL
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8359336.stm

BBC Scotland: NATO
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8360503.stm

http://thenoseinvestigates.wordpress.com/

Guardian/Observer:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/15/anti-war-protest-edinburgh

Napier News:
http://edinburghnapiernews.com/2009/11/13/msp-calls-for-peaceful-anti-na...

Demotix: http://www.demotix.com/news/anti-nato-protest-edinburgh

Globalise Not:
http://globalisenot.blogspot.com/2009/10/call-for-action-protest-against...

EEN: http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/War-protests-threaten-city-...


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SDL:

http://edinburghnapiernews.com/2009/11/11/glasgow-braced-for-anti-muslim...

http://www.demotix.com/news/hundreds-march-glasgow-against-sdl

http://scottishislamic.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/council-and-police-rule-...

http://news.scotsman.com/farrightintheuk/Five-arrests-in-Glasgow-39antiI...

http://news.scotsman.com/farrightintheuk/Farright-extremists-contained--...

Herald:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/not-here-1.932520

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/11/15/nazi-thugs-bo...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/13/glasgow-far-right-rally-b...

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/137240-massive-police-presence-ahead-of-scot...

The comment submitted at 21:25 on Sunday says it was not clear that the fasc were in the pub in Cambridge St. This is nonsense, it was perfectly clear. 100 cops outside the pub with more up stairways  and across the street and a Scottish Defense League poster in the pub window. How much clearer could it be. I can only surmise the contributor wasn't checking things out. Demos can can be confusing and chaotic so check it out for yourself. The kettle was a possibility so pull back but stay in the area, move about, look for opportunity. OK possibly there were other fasc in other pubs but we can only act on what we know and we knew they were in Cambridge St. The action was there, stay there, you can't be in two places at once and if a call out came alerting the crowd to other groups of nazis my inclination would be to sit on what we've got - a bird in the hand and all that - and let others deal with other fascist gatherings.

Anonymous wrote: To the people moaning about the lack of anarchist/antifa organisation - try turning up at a meeting beforehand. They were widely publicised. We will learn from our mistakes. Saturday could be described as a victory. The security of where the SDL were meeting failed. They failed to get anywhere near the Central Mosque, anywhere near the War Memorial in George Square for a minute's silence or anywhere near the anti-fascist statue by the Clyde. They had to be bused out of the pubs they were in twice. About ten of them showed up at the Palestinian stall, but were soon seen off. Basically 'No Platform for Fascists'. I was surprised that the UAF/SWP even went to the pub were the SDL were gathering in the first place. Despite the actions of the UAF/SWP, the size of anti-fascist presence on the streets meant that the police had to cordon the SDL into pubs. There were a few other skirmishes, but only a handful of arrests for minor offences. I still haven't suspended my disbelief at what the UAF did, but fortunately not all of the anti-fascists were in Glasgow Green. this was not as well publicised as you think I didnt find out about the 10pm meeting until 11 0clock and that was only after realising it was the 14th and looking myself to see what was happining (we dont all have social networking youd think the left would know that) I didnt even here anything about the sdl protest or the su bullshit since it was first in the papers months ago I caught the march as it was coming back from the pub and went with a crowd to look for the sdl after witnessing the shitty fighting in george square fucking hell that was a pathetic display

The SDL did manage to stage a protest and created a great deal of media attention. People in this country are starting to see the threat of Islamic extemeism and if the left has any sense they would join in the fight against the Islamisation of the UK. People were not impressed by the sight of a few hundred communists and scuffy hippies shouting there heads off and it looks like the so-called "anti-fascists"are fighting among each other showing how disunited and ineffective they are as a political force.

It was a disgrce the way in which anyone who objects to Islamic terror is being branded are being branded as "Nazis", it just shows how out of touch the Left is with reality. Can't you see that militant Islam poses a threat to the freedom which we enjoy in this nation. The Left Wing has woken up to the threat of militant Islam in other European countries, maybe you will too.

Anonymous wrote:

The SDL did manage to stage a protest and created a great deal of media attention. People in this country are starting to see the threat of Islamic extemeism and if the left has any sense they would join in the fight against the Islamisation of the UK. People were not impressed by the sight of a few hundred communists and scuffy hippies shouting there heads off and it looks like the so-called "anti-fascists"are fighting among each other showing how disunited and ineffective they are as a political force.

It was a disgrce the way in which anyone who objects to Islamic terror is being branded are being branded as "Nazis", it just shows how out of touch the Left is with reality. Can't you see that militant Islam poses a threat to the freedom which we enjoy in this nation. The Left Wing has woken up to the threat of militant Islam in other European countries, maybe you will too.

 

The vast majority of people on the left also condemn threats to liberty or violent attacks or murder against
innocent civilians, whether perpetrated by the state (i.e. the military) or non-state actors
(i.e. terrorist groups).

However, there the gossamer like point of agreement ends. The fact is that the EDL/SDL are
championing the flexibly meaningful and meaningless, smokes and mirrors, Orwellian
double-speak of "extremism" sadly introduced by the Blair government, for your own nefarious purposes.

Unquestioningly and uncritically loyal to the state, the EDL/SDL want to scape-goat British Muslims for the crimes of the government.

Criticism of war and human rights abuses perpetrated by the British government and it's allies abroad isn't extremism, it is non-conformism. It also free speech. It is the inviolable right of all people in civic society to criticise and hold to account their government and the powers that be.

The emergence of the EDL can be traced back to March 2009. During the homecoming of an army regiment in Luton, soldiers were heckled and placards were held by some protestors harsly criticising soldiers and the army. All of the protestors were Muslim.

With placards reading "Butchers of Basra" and "Anglian soldiers go to hell", it wasn't the nicest of welcomes, and wasn't the usual cheers, bunting and flower throwing fest soldiers may have been used to. But it goes without saying that it is nothing compared to what soldiers went through during military service itself when they were being used as cannon fodder by the government without adequate equipment. While the govt themselves lived off the fat of the land with massive expense accounts and bailed out their cronies in the banks. And nothing compared to what the Iraqis and Afghans have went through and continue to go through - hundreds of thousands of wifes, husbands and children killed for oil, the majority of them civilians.

Targetting a protest against soldiers in this way rather than the government, and being exclusively Muslim and separatist from the wider anti-war movement in Luton (and it's expertise) was of course a big tactical mistake. It provoked the emergence of the EDL/SDL.

Followers of the EDL you are undoubtedly being used as useful idiots in an attempt to build a movement, which is at worst motivated by ill-conceived racial and religious stereotypes and exaggerated indignation and outrage (fanned by the populist mass media), and at best misguided. There is no credible major threat to freedom from so-called Islamic 'extremism', militancy or terrorism in Scotland.

The only real and credible current threat to freedom in the UK comes from those who would conflate criticism of UK foreign policy with terrorism, in order to try and silence public criticism. quash dissent, and hand the government a blank cheque to do what they want, irrespective of the public will, moral legitimacy and international law.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The SDL did manage to stage a protest and created a great deal of media attention. People in this country are starting to see the threat of Islamic extemeism and if the left has any sense they would join in the fight against the Islamisation of the UK. People were not impressed by the sight of a few hundred communists and scuffy hippies shouting there heads off and it looks like the so-called "anti-fascists"are fighting among each other showing how disunited and ineffective they are as a political force.

It was a disgrce the way in which anyone who objects to Islamic terror is being branded are being branded as "Nazis", it just shows how out of touch the Left is with reality. Can't you see that militant Islam poses a threat to the freedom which we enjoy in this nation. The Left Wing has woken up to the threat of militant Islam in other European countries, maybe you will too.

 

The vast majority of people on the left also condemn threats to liberty or violent attacks or murder against
innocent civilians, whether perpetrated by the state (i.e. the military) or non-state actors
(i.e. terrorist groups).

However, there the gossamer like point of agreement ends. The fact is that the EDL/SDL are
championing the flexibly meaningful and meaningless, smokes and mirrors, Orwellian
double-speak of "extremism" sadly introduced by the Blair government, for your own nefarious purposes.

Unquestioningly and uncritically loyal to the state, the EDL/SDL want to scape-goat British Muslims for the crimes of the government.

Criticism of war and human rights abuses perpetrated by the British government and it's allies abroad isn't extremism, it is non-conformism. It also free speech. It is the inviolable right of all people in civic society to criticise and hold to account their government and the powers that be.

The emergence of the EDL can be traced back to March 2009. During the homecoming of an army regiment in Luton, soldiers were heckled and placards were held by some protestors harsly criticising soldiers and the army. All of the protestors were Muslim.

With placards reading "Butchers of Basra" and "Anglian soldiers go to hell", it wasn't the nicest of welcomes, and wasn't the usual cheers, bunting and flower throwing fest soldiers may have been used to. But it goes without saying that it is nothing compared to what soldiers went through during military service itself when they were being used as cannon fodder by the government without adequate equipment. While the govt themselves lived off the fat of the land with massive expense accounts and bailed out their cronies in the banks. And nothing compared to what the Iraqis and Afghans have went through and continue to go through - hundreds of thousands of wifes, husbands and children killed for oil, the majority of them civilians.

Targetting a protest against soldiers in this way rather than the government, and being exclusively Muslim and separatist from the wider anti-war movement in Luton (and it's expertise) was of course a big tactical mistake. It provoked the emergence of the EDL/SDL.

Followers of the EDL you are undoubtedly being used as useful idiots in an attempt to build a movement, which is at worst motivated by ill-conceived racial and religious stereotypes and exaggerated indignation and outrage (fanned by the populist mass media), and at best misguided. There is no credible major threat to freedom from so-called Islamic 'extremism', militancy or terrorism in Scotland.

The only real and credible current threat to freedom in the UK comes from those who would conflate criticism of UK foreign policy with terrorism, in order to try and silence public criticism. quash dissent, and hand the government a blank cheque to do what they want, irrespective of the public will, moral legitimacy and international law.

You say that "there is no credible major threat to freedom in from so-called Islamic 'extremeism', militancy or terrorism in Scotland" but if my memory serves me correctly it was not too long ago when an atempt was made to launch a bomb attack on glasgow airport by Islamic terrorists.

There are muslims out there who would like to see Britian become an Islamic state, there are muslims who would not think twice about murdering members of their family who convert to Christianity.

You say that "there is no credible major threat to freedom in from so-called Islamic 'extremeism', militancy or terrorism in Scotland" but if my memory serves me correctly it was not too long ago when an atempt was made to launch a bomb attack on glasgow airport by Islamic terrorists.

There are muslims out there who would like to see Britian become an Islamic state, there are muslims who would not think twice about murdering members of their family who convert to Christianity.

While deliberately crashing a car into the entrance of Glasgow Airport and endangering the lives of
travellers and airport workers is reprehensible and appalling and should be (and indeed was) widely condemned by people in Scotland all over the world at the time, it certainly doesn't represent a credible major threat to freedom here in Scotland.

It was an isolated occurance, probably the first and only incident of it's kind EVER in Scotland. It certainly wasn't an attempt to implement an Islamic state (if it was, it was a most bizarre and ineffectual one which failed abysmally) or murder members of their family for converting to Christianity. Those responsible were not Scottish but Iraqi doctors working in the UK madly enraged, as the subsequent trial showed, over the destruction of their country and their countrymen in Iraq. However that is no justification for their actions.

Religion appears to have played no primary motivating part in their actions whatsoever. If a genuine adherence to a mainstream religion or moral code had played any major part or influence on their lives, then that would have guided them NOT to try and do harm to innocent people.

Crime figures in this country overwhelmingly show that Muslims are significantly more likely to be a victim of 'extremism' i.e. racism, than be a perpetrator of it.

As for other ism's like terrorism, the small number of incidents we have had in the UK as a whole (e.g. Glasgow Airport, 7/7), where the culprits have been largely Muslim (as opposed to Christian, Sikh, Jewish, atheist, etc) these are absolutely dwarfed in the past by those whose professed religion was Christian.

I refer of course to the Irish troubles, a virtual civil war, whose sectarian violence and terrorism also blighted Britain for decades, but is now thankfully at a end.
 

There are muslims out there who would like to see Britian become an Islamic state, there are muslims who would not think twice about murdering members of their family who convert to Christianity."

Yeah and they have even LESS chance of succeeding than the SDL / EDL of organising a piss-up in a brewery...

According to the last national census there are more atheists living in Scotland than people saying they were Muslim. Scotland is more likely to become an atheist state than an Islamic one....

www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/02/20757/53570

In the 2001 census there were only 42,000 Muslims in Scotland compared to the 1.39 MILLION people saying they had no religion, more than quarter of the population....

Not to mention the 3.5 million people who said they were Christian.

For anyone that has a problem with big numbers - 1.39 million is 33 time larger than 42,000, whilst 3.5 million is a whopping 83 times larger.

Still think we are in any danger of  Sharia law being imposed in Scotland?

Don't be daft....

Anonymous-presumed-UAF-supporter wrote:

there would a real danger of being kettled while the nazis demonstrated elsewhere. That would have been a particularly stupid thing to allow to have happened.

Report of UAF demo in Leeds wrote:

October 31, 2009 11:00 - At the site announced for the UAF rally outside Leeds Central Library, police have erected a large cordon. The only entrance to the area is through what appears to be an airport-style metal-detector arch. (Source: Northern Indymedia)

I'd love to think that UAF are learning from their mistakes but I really doubt it. Do you also defend their attempt to get a member of AFed arrested in Leeds?

Anonymous-presumed-UAF-supporter wrote:

UAF and the rest of the demonstrators have to do what a small group of demonstrators want to do? Is that democratic? If a small group of demonstrators stick their heads in a noose we are supposed to follow them? 

This assumes that there was a democratic decision instead of manipulation by a minority to take advantage of communication difficulties.

What you say is awfy ironic since moving away from the SDL was something that no-one other than "a small group of demonstrators" wanted to do. Answer your own question: did UAF behave democratically? By whose standards? It doesn't seem to have involved discussion, debate, voting, consensus or any of the things that I associate with democracy. (But then I'm not familiar with "democratic centralism"...)

Anonymous-presumed-UAF-supporter wrote:

You can do what you like to fight the fascists just don't go around bleating that others have the good sense not to behave like idiots and let the police trap them for no reason.

I'm told that the antifa were going up to the pub in Paisley Road West to attack the nazis. This was all your own initiative how did that go?

Seriously, how childish do you want to be? If your ideas are better, then discuss on the level of ideas, not the schoolyard.

I think there was a lot of the confusion as to what was going on. I went to the Green as I was a bit late turning up at St Enochs. When I was there, we were told that the SDL where at Gibson St and Sauchiehall st, so we made our way up there. That group kept seperating, resulting in confusion as to where the SDL where, and by the time we found out, the buses had taken them away, and we met with the group from cambridge street on their way down. Also, it caused confusion as people were worried as to whether it was the official Scotland United march, and when they realised it wasn't, they went back to the green to join the official march. So I don't think it's a case that people weren't willing to confront them - I just think the organisation wasn't great, and the only people at the green that had any access to where they were were the people in touch with the spotters - obviously the Scotland United demo weren't going to say where they were. If I'd known I would have been straight up to Cambridge St. And not wasted time going to the Green.

As for Central Station - when we were at George Sq, we heard there were some sdl members in the Junction Bar, so we went to investigate. As we got to Buchanan St, we noticed a group of 5-10 in casuals, and when we saw them mouthing off to people, we confronted them. They started singing, swearing, chanting, nazi salutes, and of course, we replied with "Nazi Scum, off our streets." I'm pretty sure I saw one person being pushed, and I'd imagine it was the man you mentioned being arrested - his friends were holding him back, he was angry. The sdl were retreating down Gordon St, this point they were running as well as singing, and the police blocked Gordon street to stop the anti-fash getting near them. I figured by not shouting I could get past the police so I walked up to Central Station and that's when all the vans turned up and they were searched and arrested there. Eventually those who were blocked at Gordon St made it up to Central to sing them a wee send off.

At the end of the day, yes, the Scotland United march distracted people from opposing the SDL face to face but at the end of the day, I think it's laughable that the SDL even claimed they had a made a point. And I'm proud at the amount of people I saw there.

It's fair to say there was a bit of confusion when we marched off from St Enoch's (I say we, when in reality I was in a toilet in the shopping centre when it left - I had to sprint up after it).

The annoying part was when it came to Sauchiehall St. That must have been when the UAF/SWP were trying to persuade people to go to Glasgow Green. We were stuck there blocking traffic for far too long. Eventually we started moving again with a notable chant of, "Go left... where the Nazi are. Go left, where the Nazis are" (which is a bit unfortunate from an ideoligical imagery point of veiw).

As far as I can tell it was mainly the Anarchists who got the march started - I might be wrong though.  And good on them. The reason we were there was to confront the SDL and prevent them from marching. You'll have to ask the UAF/SWP why they were there. No doubt, in part, to sell that fuckin' paper. :o) (intended as a slightly good natured dig)

As for when it reached the Cambridge pub, I have to admit thinking it was a good idea to move off. For various reason, all of which were flawed. Maybe not though. Perhaps giving the press a scene of confrontation would have given the SDL more coverage? Dunno!

People were a bit too keen to shout "kettle" by the way. You need 4 lines of police for that.

Anonymous wrote:

The media would have loved to have taken photos of a few Catweazel lookalikes to put on the joke page of their newspapers, so you should have popped into Cambridge Street to give everyone a laugh. The police might have had to use their water cannons to give you all a good wash so that tourists wouldn't think that Glasgow had been taken over by angry tramps though.. I noticed that some of the SDL protestors had their faces covered, was this so that the press couldn't take their photos or was it beacause of the stench coming from all those crusty hippys?

Could you not have a bath before appearing in public? Are you agaist the use of hygenic products for ethical reasons or is just a laziness thing? Why do you have rubbish homemade banners instead of something that would realy catch the eye? How come no more than 1500 people took part in the counter demo? Do you realy want to associate yourselves dodgy celebs like that crooked terrorist loving lawyer and Rab C. Nesbits missus? Do you have to call everyone who objects to Muslim extremeists "nazis" and "fascists"? Is it realy worth getting nicked and making a public spectacle of yourselves? Do you realy think that 200 anti-Islamic exremeist protestors in a pub pose a threat to the entire Asain community?

 

Aye... briliant mate.

You must be a real asset to yir pals whenever you're out at the pub with patter like that.

How about you drop to yir knees, open yir mouth really, really wide, and I'll rest my nuts on yir tounge? Does that sound like a plan? Would that amuse you?

It would amuse me! :)

Now how about you fuck off and let the grown ups talk? :) There's a good psuedo Nazi. Ta-ta!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The media would have loved to have taken photos of a few Catweazel lookalikes to put on the joke page of their newspapers, so you should have popped into Cambridge Street to give everyone a laugh. The police might have had to use their water cannons to give you all a good wash so that tourists wouldn't think that Glasgow had been taken over by angry tramps though.. I noticed that some of the SDL protestors had their faces covered, was this so that the press couldn't take their photos or was it beacause of the stench coming from all those crusty hippys?

Could you not have a bath before appearing in public? Are you agaist the use of hygenic products for ethical reasons or is just a laziness thing? Why do you have rubbish homemade banners instead of something that would realy catch the eye? How come no more than 1500 people took part in the counter demo? Do you realy want to associate yourselves dodgy celebs like that crooked terrorist loving lawyer and Rab C. Nesbits missus? Do you have to call everyone who objects to Muslim extremeists "nazis" and "fascists"? Is it realy worth getting nicked and making a public spectacle of yourselves? Do you realy think that 200 anti-Islamic exremeist protestors in a pub pose a threat to the entire Asain community?

 

Aye... briliant mate.

You must be a real asset to yir pals whenever you're out at the pub with patter like that.

How about you drop to yir knees, open yir mouth really, really wide, and I'll rest my nuts on yir tounge? Does that sound like a plan? Would that amuse you?

It would amuse me! :)

Now how about you fuck off and let the grown ups talk? :) There's a good psuedo Nazi. Ta-ta!

 

You are one sick man. go back to Fraggle Rock with the rest of your paranoid left wing "everyone who doesn't agree with me is a nazi" comrades.

Grown up? Most people grow out of their "I'm gonna change the world" phase but I see that you are still stuck in it. There are plenty of trees for you to hug, useless and pointless causes to support and terrorists and political fanatics for you to glorify.

Anonymous wrote:

You are one sick man. go back to Fraggle Rock with the rest of your paranoid left wing "everyone who doesn't agree with me is a nazi" comrades.

Grown up? Most people grow out of their "I'm gonna change the world" phase but I see that you are still stuck in it. There are plenty of trees for you to hug, useless and pointless causes to support and terrorists and political fanatics for you to glorify.

I said you were a psuedo Nazi. Gees I thought we were having a laught there. Apparently not... OK!!

You have seen the picture of EDL members giving the salute yeah?

http://bristol.indymedia.org/attachments/oct2009/edl_fascist_salute_birm...

P.S.

I thought you wanted to "change the world", and free it from Islamic opression?

1500 for a protest whch was backed by the government is not exactly a high number is it?

Lots of photos are on the Redwatch site but not, oddly, of the action around Cambridge Street.

Anonymous wrote:

Lots of photos are on the Redwatch site but not, oddly, of the action around Cambridge Street.

Because hardly any reds were there!

The SWP’s bogus anti-fascist struggle

Once again the claims of the SWP to be in the forefront of the fight against fascism have been exposed as bogus. On Saturday 14 November in the guise of Unite Against Fascism (UAF), they led hundreds of anti-fascists away from a pub in which fascist Scottish Defence League (SDL) supporters had congregated, to a rally organised by a middle class coalition, Scotland United, where speakers included Scottish Tory leader Annabel Goldie, Scottish Nationalist Party Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, and discredited Labour millionaire MP Mohammad Sarwar.

In the weeks leading up to 14 November, FRFI supporters had led opposition to the attempts by radical lawyer Aamer Anwar to prevent any counter-demonstration to the SDL. Anwar had established Scotland United without reference to anyone, and in the lead up to 14 November failed completely to justify his actions under challenge.

Meanwhile, the SWP/UAF were unable to make up their minds: side with Anwar and his coalition of the respectable, or with those who were determined to mount a proper anti-fascist demonstration and who had come together under the banner of Glasgow Anti-Fascist Alliance (GAFA).

Only at the last moment, on Thursday 12 November, did they decide to join the GAFA action; a couple of days beforehand they had been defending the Scotland United platform despite conceding that the speakers were ‘not quite as good as you might want.’

On the day itself the SWP parachuted in substantial forces including Weyman Bennett, their ubiquitous UAF joint secretary; together with other opportunist forces they were able to hijack the GAFA demonstration and lead it down to their real allies in Scotland United, leaving a small number behind who were determined to continue the opposition to the SDL, including FRFI comrades.

Once they had left, the SDL supporters were able to have a brief demonstration, before dispersing into small groups to attack anti-fascists in the centre of Glasgow.

Despite their claims, the SWP/UAF are determined to prevent any serious anti-racist anti-fascist movement from developing in Britain. At a protest against a proposed march by the English Defence League (EDL) in Harrow on 11 September, they invited the vicious former immigration minister Tony McNulty on to their platform, claiming afterwards that he had been forced to make a left-wing speech.

On 10 October, they mounted a completely ineffectual protest against an EDL rally in Manchester; at a similar event three weeks later in Leeds they arranged for a Lib Dem councillor, a member of the ruling council coalition which is leading a vicious struggle against council bin workers on all-out strike, to speak from their platform. In both cases, SWP/UAF stewards actively prevented anyone from getting round police cordons to confront the EDL.

Weyman Bennett and the rest of the SWP leadership have shown that they will ally themselves with open racists and reactionaries to prevent any real anti-fascist or anti-racist movement from developing. They have covered up for those in Manchester, Leeds and Glasgow who actively tried to stop Asian youth from confronting the SDL/EDL.

These right-wing opportunists have to be confronted and exposed if there is to be a real anti-fascist movement, one which stands clearly against state racism and its apologists.

Fight Racism! Fight Imperialism!
 

Anonymous wrote:

The SWP’s bogus anti-fascist struggle

Once again the claims of the SWP to be in the forefront of the fight against fascism have been exposed as bogus. On Saturday 14 November in the guise of Unite Against Fascism (UAF), they led hundreds of anti-fascists away from a pub in which fascist Scottish Defence League (SDL) supporters had congregated, to a rally organised by a middle class coalition, Scotland United, where speakers included Scottish Tory leader Annabel Goldie, Scottish Nationalist Party Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, and discredited Labour millionaire MP Mohammad Sarwar.

In the weeks leading up to 14 November, FRFI supporters had led opposition to the attempts by radical lawyer Aamer Anwar to prevent any counter-demonstration to the SDL. Anwar had established Scotland United without reference to anyone, and in the lead up to 14 November failed completely to justify his actions under challenge.

Meanwhile, the SWP/UAF were unable to make up their minds: side with Anwar and his coalition of the respectable, or with those who were determined to mount a proper anti-fascist demonstration and who had come together under the banner of Glasgow Anti-Fascist Alliance (GAFA).

Only at the last moment, on Thursday 12 November, did they decide to join the GAFA action; a couple of days beforehand they had been defending the Scotland United platform despite conceding that the speakers were ‘not quite as good as you might want.’

On the day itself the SWP parachuted in substantial forces including Weyman Bennett, their ubiquitous UAF joint secretary; together with other opportunist forces they were able to hijack the GAFA demonstration and lead it down to their real allies in Scotland United, leaving a small number behind who were determined to continue the opposition to the SDL, including FRFI comrades.

Once they had left, the SDL supporters were able to have a brief demonstration, before dispersing into small groups to attack anti-fascists in the centre of Glasgow.

Despite their claims, the SWP/UAF are determined to prevent any serious anti-racist anti-fascist movement from developing in Britain. At a protest against a proposed march by the English Defence League (EDL) in Harrow on 11 September, they invited the vicious former immigration minister Tony McNulty on to their platform, claiming afterwards that he had been forced to make a left-wing speech.

On 10 October, they mounted a completely ineffectual protest against an EDL rally in Manchester; at a similar event three weeks later in Leeds they arranged for a Lib Dem councillor, a member of the ruling council coalition which is leading a vicious struggle against council bin workers on all-out strike, to speak from their platform. In both cases, SWP/UAF stewards actively prevented anyone from getting round police cordons to confront the EDL.

Weyman Bennett and the rest of the SWP leadership have shown that they will ally themselves with open racists and reactionaries to prevent any real anti-fascist or anti-racist movement from developing. They have covered up for those in Manchester, Leeds and Glasgow who actively tried to stop Asian youth from confronting the SDL/EDL.

These right-wing opportunists have to be confronted and exposed if there is to be a real anti-fascist movement, one which stands clearly against state racism and its apologists.

Fight Racism! Fight Imperialism!
 

"Despite their claims, the SWP/UAF are determined to prevent any serious anti-racist anti-fascist movement from developing in Britain."

Why do you think this is?

Afterwards, I have learned from others about the SDL presence and the split on Cambridge Street, and having seen video footage of the police presence I honestly can't believe I missed what was going on. But I did, and many with me, I'm sure. There was a lot of confusion for sure, but to those who saw me and others walk by, obediently following after the UAF lead, I can only say I'm sorry and I really hope we won't have a situation like this next time. I don't know what the solution is, better communication? No UAF lead of the march, for sure.

You mate, give me hope, thank you!

I agree better commumnication is the key but not so much at meeting beforehand which are easily infiltrated.  On the march itself.

I hear so many people say to each other, what are we doing now, thinking they are on some one elses march.  A march is the expression of every person there, it should not be lead by the a******e with the megaphone.

but we need folk like the swp and uaf there to lead people, direct the march and think about what should be done otherwise folk wouldn't know what to do

I see some earlier comments were removed from the uk page on this subject. i also see photos have been posted on the net with no blurring. jeez

Anonymous wrote:

but we need folk like the swp and uaf there to lead people, direct the march and think about what should be done otherwise folk wouldn't know what to do

I take it this is an anarchist joke!

Seriously we do not need leaders on this kind of action - we all know why we are there and what we need to do. All we need is information as to where the fasc are and how to get there, the rest is self-evident, or it is if you've had any previous experience of anti-fascist action. I'm really not sure why this UAF exists as the latest SWP front. Bring back the old Anti-nazi League - at least they were up for a fight!

Anonymous wrote:

I see some earlier comments were removed from the uk page on this subject. i also see photos have been posted on the net with no blurring. jeez

 

and the photos have now been pasted on Redwatch!

folk on here have been justifiably complaining about the UAF abandoning cambridge street and putting activist in danger. but what about the half-wits taking photos and sticking them all over flickr and facebook, completely unsecured and with no blurring that end up getting sucked up by the c****at redwatch!!!!!!!!!?

Anonymous wrote:

folk on here have been justifiably complaining about the UAF abandoning cambridge street and putting activist in danger. but what about the half-wits taking photos and sticking them all over flickr and facebook, completely unsecured and with no blurring that end up getting sucked up by the c****at redwatch!!!!!!!!!?

Yeah, like the photos on this website!