- sorry bout spelling mistakes. I'm tired, from running around chasing fash all day. unlike some.

FrostyJ wrote:

- sorry bout spelling mistakes. I'm tired, from running around chasing fash all day. unlike some.

 

Chase fash? Lol some csc/red action  where asked outside for a 40 on 40...they declined.

 

See you in the new year.

Anonymous wrote:

FrostyJ wrote:

- sorry bout spelling mistakes. I'm tired, from running around chasing fash all day. unlike some.

 

Chase fash? Lol some csc/red action  where asked outside for a 40 on 40...they declined.

 

See you in the new year.

Btw, Alot more than 70 bused to PRW. Anyone that didnt look like a lefty tramp was put onto one of four  double deckers.

A few lads hung around up town and offered afa and the csc a meet...well, you dont need me to tell you what happened next .[chuckle]

Beware neo-nazi trolls using Indymedia to divide and conquer!!! 

I agree entirely with the OP here. OK, the cat that started howling abuse at one of the UAF organisers late in the day should probably have kept it somewhat to himself; nevertheless, the UAF's fucking splitting tactics (evident before and during the demo) not only put the guys at cambridge street in danger but diluted the whole point of coming out to drive the fash off the streets with mass opposition. I've always been willing to extend the benefit of the doubt, but this was a fucking joke. It's time for the serious anti-fash who aren't already with antifa etc to get networking; we can't afford a cock-up like this again. We achieved our aims in keeping the fash fucks on the run, but today was a good result spoiled by SWP sectarianism.

Again.

- Jimmy.

This recent statement from AFed after a recent counter-EDL demo in Leeds seems relevant to this thread:

The Anarchist Federation condemns the group Unite Against Fascism (UAF) who, on Saturday 31st October at a mobilisation against the English Defence League (EDL) in Leeds city centre, openly handed one of our members over to the police. Several UAF stewards, including the head of UAF Leeds, physically prevented our member from rejoining the cordon, and then called the police over to arrest him. We will not tolerate collaboration with the state to halt the activity of genuine anti-fascists and ask other progressive organisations to do the same. UAF's policy of negotiating with the state for its public protests is well known, as is its alliance with religious leaders, trade union bureaucrats and politicians. UAF, apart from being nothing more than a front group for the Socialist Workers Party, has never been an effective means to combat the rise of fascism in Britain nor does it offer anything to working class communities.
D. Yates, National Secretary (Anarchist Federation, UK)

I heard there was no real antifa in Glasgow. If there is how do i get in touch? I want to get involved with a true anti fash group.

There is also quite a good fly on the wall report here http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2009/11/14/glasgow-14-november-scott...

The consensus of the various eyewitness and news reports - both on Indymedia and elsewhere - on the Cambridge Street incident seems to clearly indicate the following.

The UAF/SWP/Scotland United contingent left St Enoch Square to follow the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA contingent up to Cambridge Street. They then tried to lead it/commandeer it on the trek up to Cambridge Street. Having got there the UAF/SWP/Scotland United didn't hang about for long, and then led a lot of people away again down to Glasgow Green, taking a lot of unaligned people (and perhaps some confused SSP/Anarchists) with them in the melee.

This seems to have then left the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA contingent with less people at Cambridge Street than they arrived with. In short, it would have been better had they told the UAF/SWP/Scotland United contingent when they tried to follow them, thanks but no thanks. Or if you wanted to be less polite "f*** off".

It seems clear the UAF/SWP/Scotland United set out up to Cambridge Street not with the sincere intent of joining in, but to blindly obey party (and police orders) to stay well away from the Scottish Defence League protest, and encourage and lead others away from doing so. That seems to be the whole point of why they were there instead of gathering at Glasgow Green - to sabotage the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA march and protest. That would explain why they didn't integrate, but instead gathered separately in a huddle in St Enoch Square away from the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA contingent.

The UAF/SWP took clear advantage of the lack of leadership in the SSP/Anarchist/GAFA, and the pre-programmed inclination of the UAF/SWP/Scotland United contingent to do what there told, or follow/copy what the majority seemed to be doing.

The SSP/Anarchist/GAFA could learn a lesson there that is essential to have some semblence of leadership, otherwise you leave yourself wide open to have some Pied Piper of the SWP, like Weyman Bennett, spiriting people away.

There are some that might suggest calling for the resignation of Weyman Bennett. Personally, I think that might be going to far, but at the very least you should call for some sort of investigation and disciplining by his party/campaign group.

His actions in leading people away left supposedly fellow protestors and comrades exposed and in danger. That can not, should not and will not be tolerated within the movement.

Anonymous wrote:

I heard there was no real antifa in Glasgow. If there is how do i get in touch? I want to get involved with a true anti fash group.

you could try antifa scotland forum or i find youtube a better source. ANTIFA

i proudly wore my antifa hoodie and took my antifa flag :)

You have made the point about what they failed to do which I accept is a correct assesment of what both these groups did but don't go into any detail of what you or others did or attempted to do as Antifa hooligans. The point I make is did your group do anything more affective than these other two groups.

You seem to imply that UAF's failure to stand materially affected the out come of what happened yesterday and if only they would have stood this would have made a diffrence. Whats the point of saying a group who's stratgey is bankrupt and has been for sometime when we all know this to be the case. Nobody should have expectations of them or any hope they will invlove themselves in Millitant street action. They were never their to confront the SDL in any other way. If other people felt that SDL should have been confronted in any other way it is for them to arrange to do this. Your anger seems misplaced.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FrostyJ wrote:

- sorry bout spelling mistakes. I'm tired, from running around chasing fash all day. unlike some.

 

Chase fash? Lol some csc/red action  where asked outside for a 40 on 40...they declined.

 

See you in the new year.

Btw, Alot more than 70 bused to PRW. Anyone that didnt look like a lefty tramp was put onto one of four  double deckers.

 

A few lads hung around up town and offered afa and the csc a meet...well, you dont need me to tell you what happened next .[chuckle]

You are a liar. Red Action/AFA is a long time gone in case you did not notice. You may or may not have offered 40 on 40 as you say but it was not to Red Action/AFA so stop trying to score a wee point on that basis. You or your Ilk never won  a fight against Red Action/AFA when they were in action so it's a bit late to claim you offered a fight to them that was declined. I would point out to you that the person you are replying to who is Antifa is not Red Action/AFA.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I heard there was no real antifa in Glasgow. If there is how do i get in touch? I want to get involved with a true anti fash group.

 

 

you could try antifa scotland forum or i find youtube a better source. ANTIFA

 

As far as I know you are right there is no coherrant Antifa in Glasgow. There may be those who call themselves Millitant Anti Facsist/Antifa but they are it would appear that in name only. If  I am wrong can anybody show me any incidences of their action or orginisation in Glasgow. The BNP  for over a year have had the free run of the streets of Glasgow without any action other than  some scuffles and a bit of shouting at them down at GOMA and Buchanan street coming from Anarchists/Lefties.These types of action can not be claimed as Millitant Anti Facsist actions. If Antifa wish to take up the mantle of AFA/Red Action they have a long way to go and many lesssons to learn. I doubt very much that Antifa or those who claim to be affiliated with it have what it takes. Talk is cheap.

They manipulated the demo at a crucial point and weakened it. And for what? I remember when they pulled this Glasgow green business out of their ar$es and it was inexplicable then. It was never going to work and that was clear from as soon as it was established where the fash were lurking. They are a disgrace that on such an important day they tried to steer people away from the issue to ply them with their own agenda. UAF/SWP absolute disgrace.

Anonymous wrote:

They manipulated the demo at a crucial point and weakened it. And for what? I remember when they pulled this Glasgow green business out of their ar$es and it was inexplicable then. It was never going to work and that was clear from as soon as it was established where the fash were lurking. They are a disgrace that on such an important day they tried to steer people away from the issue to ply them with their own agenda. UAF/SWP absolute disgrace.

The Left wing in this country is a joke, they should be protesting against Islamic Extremists like they do in other European countries. It is time that people stood against these vile militant preachers of hate before Jihad is launched on our nation

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They manipulated the demo at a crucial point and weakened it. And for what? I remember when they pulled this Glasgow green business out of their ar$es and it was inexplicable then. It was never going to work and that was clear from as soon as it was established where the fash were lurking. They are a disgrace that on such an important day they tried to steer people away from the issue to ply them with their own agenda. UAF/SWP absolute disgrace.

The Left wing in this country is a joke, they should be protesting against Islamic Extremists like they do in other European countries. It is time that people stood against these vile militant preachers of hate before Jihad is launched on our nation

 

 

Fao EmmetG..Do you not remember the cainings the tims took at the jcs marches in the 90s?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They manipulated the demo at a crucial point and weakened it. And for what? I remember when they pulled this Glasgow green business out of their ar$es and it was inexplicable then. It was never going to work and that was clear from as soon as it was established where the fash were lurking. They are a disgrace that on such an important day they tried to steer people away from the issue to ply them with their own agenda. UAF/SWP absolute disgrace.

The Left wing in this country is a joke, they should be protesting against Islamic Extremists like they do in other European countries. It is time that people stood against these vile militant preachers of hate before Jihad is launched on our nation

 

 

Fao EmmetG..Do you not remember the cainings the tims took at the jcs marches in the 90s?

 

And your point is.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FrostyJ wrote:

- sorry bout spelling mistakes. I'm tired, from running around chasing fash all day. unlike some.

 

Chase fash? Lol some csc/red action  where asked outside for a 40 on 40...they declined.

 

See you in the new year.

Btw, Alot more than 70 bused to PRW. Anyone that didnt look like a lefty tramp was put onto one of four  double deckers.

 

A few lads hung around up town and offered afa and the csc a meet...well, you dont need me to tell you what happened next .[chuckle]

you know that was a lie...no offer was given infact any SDL that had the courage to step away from the police ran on sight everytime they met anti-fash that weren't students. People spent all day looking for SDL. You lot knew it and knew were to find a ruck but guess you prefered having a drink with the cops?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They manipulated the demo at a crucial point and weakened it. And for what? I remember when they pulled this Glasgow green business out of their ar$es and it was inexplicable then. It was never going to work and that was clear from as soon as it was established where the fash were lurking. They are a disgrace that on such an important day they tried to steer people away from the issue to ply them with their own agenda. UAF/SWP absolute disgrace.

The Left wing in this country is a joke, they should be protesting against Islamic Extremists like they do in other European countries. It is time that people stood against these vile militant preachers of hate before Jihad is launched on our nation

 

 

Fao EmmetG..Do you not remember the cainings the tims took at the jcs marches in the 90s?

 

 

The bigoted James Connely Society marches were some of the most disgusting things every to take place on the back streets of our capital city, thankfully the people of Scotland no longer have to put up with this display of hatred. 

Can anyone tell me if there is an actual orginization commited to confroting the fash and not just talking a load of bold shit? Or does anyone want to orginize one? Email me

Anonymous wrote:

Can anyone tell me if there is an actual orginization commited to confroting the fash and not just talking a load of bold shit? Or does anyone want to orginize one? Email me

One tiny protest in Glasgow by people opposed to Islamic Extremeism has managed to divide the Left into tiny liilte groups competing over who is the greatest fascist basher! Shame that the SDL aren't even fascists.

"Btw, Alot more than 70 bused to PRW. Anyone that didnt look like a lefty tramp was put onto one of four double deckers"

Nah mate, you can't count...Two of the four double-deckers were empty and one was less than half full. Double deckers take 80 people so that means a maximum of 120 people but seeing as quite a few seats on the two buses that had anyone on them were empty I reckon 100 is the most generous estimate.

Why did you get on the buses anyway? Did you really run away from a load of tramps?

Or did the fact that we were laughing at such a pathetic turn-out hurt your feelings?

Anonymous wrote:

"Btw, Alot more than 70 bused to PRW. Anyone that didnt look like a lefty tramp was put onto one of four double deckers"

Nah mate, you can't count...Two of the four double-deckers were empty and one was less than half full. Double deckers take 80 people so that means a maximum of 120 people but seeing as quite a few seats on the two buses that had anyone on them were empty I reckon 100 is the most generous estimate.

Why did you get on the buses anyway? Did you really run away from a load of tramps?

Or did the fact that we were laughing at such a pathetic turn-out hurt your feelings?

 

 

 

 

There were only 1500 on the State funded counter demonatration which indicates that the majority of people do not see anything wrong with protesting against Islamic extremeists.

There were only 1500 on the State funded counter demonatration which indicates that the majority of people do not see anything wrong with protesting against Islamic extremeists.

Yeah and there was only 70 - 120 numbskulls on the SDL demo whilst 300 turned up outside where they were in Cambridge Street on counter demo that wasn't funded by the State either.

Sort of suggests there's more of us than of you pal....

Who paid for the buses? The cops?

No matter how fractured the left is, at least we're not as bad as the right.

Check the second story here from Schnews.

Facism Fail.

Anonymous wrote:

There were only 1500 on the State funded counter demonatration which indicates that the majority of people do not see anything wrong with protesting against Islamic extremeists.

Yeah and there was only 70 - 120 numbskulls on the SDL demo whilst 300 turned up outside where they were in Cambridge Street on counter demo that wasn't funded by the State either.

Sort of suggests there's more of us than of you pal....

Who paid for the buses? The cops?

 

 

There were no limos availble to take them away from the bloodthirsty lefties who were trying to act like hard men so they had to make do with buses.

 So that the next SDL demonstration in Edinburgh can be organised with the gift of hindsight There is a planning meeting in edinburgh tomorrow.

 The flyer is attached.

Anonymous wrote:

 So that the next SDL demonstration in Edinburgh can be organised with the gift of hindsight There is a planning meeting in edinburgh tomorrow.

 

 The flyer is attached.

 Oh well, it didnt attach.

 Find us on facebook, we are 'Stop the fascist SDL in Edinburgh'

 We are meeting tomorrow evening, 730pm in the meadow bar on buccleuh street.

 It isnt organised by any particular group, we are going to discuss our experiances of the last demo in an attempt to try to improve our coordiation the next time around.

 The SDL have already proclaimed 'Next stop Edinburgh'....

 All welcome.

Also the Announce Event link is useful. Events in the calendar can be downloaded / imported and added to the website / program / mobile device of your choice.

Means that people not on Facebook can find it.

CH wrote:

This recent statement from AFed after a recent counter-EDL demo in Leeds seems relevant to this thread:

The Anarchist Federation condemns the group Unite Against Fascism (UAF) who, on Saturday 31st October at a mobilisation against the English Defence League (EDL) in Leeds city centre, openly handed one of our members over to the police. Several UAF stewards, including the head of UAF Leeds, physically prevented our member from rejoining the cordon, and then called the police over to arrest him. We will not tolerate collaboration with the state to halt the activity of genuine anti-fascists and ask other progressive organisations to do the same. UAF's policy of negotiating with the state for its public protests is well known, as is its alliance with religious leaders, trade union bureaucrats and politicians. UAF, apart from being nothing more than a front group for the Socialist Workers Party, has never been an effective means to combat the rise of fascism in Britain nor does it offer anything to working class communities.
D. Yates, National Secretary (Anarchist Federation, UK)

the Scottish Socialist Workers 'Party' is to politics, what Scientology is to religion.