yay!

Long live the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland!

You still get the more representative and less corrupt parliament.

And the pleasure of having governments dismissed by the fucking queen, like what happened to 'independent' Australia in 1975: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

Sometimes progress is made in baby steps.

Salmond's Shite Paper vs. Scottish National Independence (video)

Peter Dow says -

"The cause of Scottish national independence was sold out by Alex Salmond on St Andrew's day, today when he published his white paper much-hyped as an "independence referendum" white paper and plan.

You're being lied to by Salmond and the SNP royalists.
It's your Scotland but your voice is being ignored as per usual in this shite paper by your enemy the Queen and her first minister Salmond.

Salmond's Shite Paper tells you what his idea of independence is, and I quote from point 9.18
"The current constitutional arrangements, with the Queen as Head of State of an independent Scotland, a Scottish Parliament and Government modelled on the existing institutions",
- that's his idea.

But so long as the Queen is head of state then the person with the independence is the Queen and we as Scots have no independence whatsoever as per usual.

Therefore Salmond's white paper is telling lies with the intention to deceive the Scots and to oppose the national independence of the Scots.

So long as we Scots are denied the right to elect our own head of state, a president, of a Scottish republic, we will not be independent but enslaved by the Queen's state.

What Salmond proposes is not a half-way house to Scottish national independence either. A Queen's Scottish state would not be progress. We already have a Queen's Scottish state and Salmond is the Queen's First Minister already.

Salmond's referendum plan is a plan for the status quo which is the Saltire used as an alternative Queen's butcher's apron for the Queen's ministers and officers in Scotland.

Salmond's plan is not a plan for us Scots - it is a plan against us Scots, to keep us down and under the brutal heel of the Queen's ministers and officers.

The real plan towards Scottish national independence and a Scottish republic is to make the Queen and her family unwelcome in Scotland. Get the Queen out and keep her out. Then we'll get our independence.

all hail peter dow, king among men

Peter Dow wrote:Get the Queen out and keep her out. Then we'll get our independence.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that....

Anonymous wrote:

all hail peter dow, king among men

Hail Mine Fueher Peter Down.

Anonymous wrote:

all hail peter dow, king among men

Peter Dow, would like the Scots to elect as a President, would he have anyone in mind? Maybe he would like the honour? I hope this big headed tartan fascist gets treated with the contempt which he deserves!

TomM wrote:

You still get the more representative and less corrupt parliament.

And the pleasure of having governments dismissed by the fucking queen, like what happened to 'independent' Australia in 1975: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

Sometimes progress is made in baby steps.

I partly agree with your outrage about a monarch dismissing her government which had more democratic legitimacy than she had as a non-elected head of state.

However, there is more to democracy than an elected chamber of parliament choosing the Prime Minister who then chooses other ministers who then are free to abuse their authority including denying the freedoms which citizens ought to have in a democracy but don't in a kingdom.

The bigger outrage I am concerned about as a Scot is living my life governed by UK Prime Ministers, Queen's First Ministers of Scotland and Queen's state or Crown Judges and NO-ONE dismisses those virtually fascist governments.

You see I wanted and the British people needed a British president to dismiss the governments of Prime MinistersThatcher, Major, Blair and Brown (those are the ones I remember particularly but the same applies to earlier governments no doubt).

Similarly, we Scots needed a Scottish president to dismiss First Minster Dewar, McLiesh, McConnell and Salmond.

The outrage which is most pressing is that NO-ONE dismissed those governments which were content to allow the officers of the state, judges and police, to enslave the people, denying us rights to speak out, publish and protest.

It is not democratic to have a parliamentary dictatorship of the majority of MPs or MSPs who even exclude elected members from the parliament on occasion. The Holyrood parliament is exceptionally corrupt when elected members are not free to take their seats up and sit in parliament without permission from the Queen, swearing loyalty and permission from a majority of the other MSPs. The parliaments under the Queen are corrupt and fascist indeed.

If you are elected then you should have democratic right to speak in parliament, no ifs and no buts. It is the duty of a head of state to defend that right. The Queen has failed that duty and the Speaker of the Commons and Presiding officer of the Scottish parliament have not stepped in and done the job of head of state. On the contrary, they have led the undemocratic royalist fascist majority in parliament.

We need a republican constitution and republicans and other democrats to stand and fight for the democratic rights citizens should have.

Having a Queen-approved Salmond or other dictatorship is not a baby step forward it is a giant leap into slavery as per usual. We need a president to dismiss such governments and keep on dismissing governments until we get one which is serious about defending the rights of the citizens.

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TomM wrote:

You still get the more representative and less corrupt parliament.

And the pleasure of having governments dismissed by the fucking queen, like what happened to 'independent' Australia in 1975: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

Sometimes progress is made in baby steps.

I partly agree with your outrage about a monarch dismissing her government which had more democratic legitimacy than she had as a non-elected head of state.

However, there is more to democracy than an elected chamber of parliament choosing the Prime Minister who then chooses other ministers who then are free to abuse their authority including denying the freedoms which citizens ought to have in a democracy but don't in a kingdom.

The bigger outrage I am concerned about as a Scot is living my life governed by UK Prime Ministers, Queen's First Ministers of Scotland and Queen's state or Crown Judges and NO-ONE dismisses those virtually fascist governments.

You see I wanted and the British people needed a British president to dismiss the governments of Prime MinistersThatcher, Major, Blair and Brown (those are the ones I remember particularly but the same applies to earlier governments no doubt).

Similarly, we Scots needed a Scottish president to dismiss First Minster Dewar, McLiesh, McConnell and Salmond.

The outrage which is most pressing is that NO-ONE dismissed those governments which were content to allow the officers of the state, judges and police, to enslave the people, denying us rights to speak out, publish and protest.

It is not democratic to have a parliamentary dictatorship of the majority of MPs or MSPs who even exclude elected members from the parliament on occasion. The Holyrood parliament is exceptionally corrupt when elected members are not free to take their seats up and sit in parliament without permission from the Queen, swearing loyalty and permission from a majority of the other MSPs. The parliaments under the Queen are corrupt and fascist indeed.

If you are elected then you should have democratic right to speak in parliament, no ifs and no buts. It is the duty of a head of state to defend that right. The Queen has failed that duty and the Speaker of the Commons and Presiding officer of the Scottish parliament have not stepped in and done the job of head of state. On the contrary, they have led the undemocratic royalist fascist majority in parliament.

We need a republican constitution and republicans and other democrats to stand and fight for the democratic rights citizens should have.

Having a Queen-approved Salmond or other dictatorship is not a baby step forward it is a giant leap into slavery as per usual. We need a president to dismiss such governments and keep on dismissing governments until we get one which is serious about defending the rights of the citizens.

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CH wrote:

Peter Dow wrote:Get the Queen out and keep her out. Then we'll get our independence.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that....

I think you will find that with the Queen allowed into the country not even elected persons have a right to attend and to speak in the parliament they were elected to. If our representatives have no independence you can be sure the rest of us have no independence whatsoever.

While people put faith in traitors who are opposed to true national independence like Salmond, who make the Queen welcome in Scotland, there will be no national independence.

It is as simple as this - if the Queen is allowed into Scotland there will be no national independence.

With the political will to do so, and after the Queen is banned and the state power of the Kingdom humiliated, not just the United Kingdom, but the Union of the Crowns and the Crown authorities, all shown up as the paper tigers they are, the political environment will be conducive to the establishing of a republican consitution for Scots and true national independence.

So yes, there is more work to be done after the Queen is booted out but booting her out is a simple and necessary first step.

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