Protesters Shut Down A4e Edinburgh Office

Protesters against compulsory “work-for-your-benefits” schemes succeeded in shutting down A4e’s Edinburgh office today Wednesday 16th June.  A4e cancelled all appointments and stuck up a notice declaring their Earl Grey Street office closed for the whole day, as demonstrators gathered outside.

Edinburgh Coalition Against Poverty organised the demo, as part of the UK day of action called by the NO TO WELFARE ABOLITION network.  Protests were also taking place round Britain, including in Sheffield, Nottingham, Brighton, Manchester, London, and Newcastle.

Today’s Edinburgh demonstration lasted around two hours, culminating at the nearby High Riggs Job Centre.  Several new people joined ECAP’s solidarity network, whereby people support each other by turning up to demonstrate if someone has serious problems with the authorities, such as having their benefits cut, being homeless or being menaced by sheriff officers.

Many passers-by stopped at the ECAP stall outside A4e, one man suggesting that A4e be challenged to a public debate to try and justify the massive amount of public money they are paid.  Police were in attendance all day but did not try and stop the demo.

A spokesperson for ECAP said:

"We hope that today's demo is just the start of action against A4e and compulsory slave labour schemes. 

We are battling to force A4e to recognise the right of claimants to be accompanied to interviews at their offices.  Yesterday four of us accompanied a claimant into A4e for his interview there – since A4e refused to hold the interview with an ECAP rep present, the claimant said he didn’t want the interview to go ahead.  Now A4e are rescheduling the interview – we demanded and got a written assurance that the claimant’s benefits would be safe in the meantime.  We will be back next time to insist on this basic right.

If we join together then we can force companies like A4e and the benefits authorities to make concessions, eg we could insist that instead of being sent on work placements we can continue doing existing voluntary work or courses.  If there are enough of us prepared to take direct action then we could make their schemes unworkable.

“Welfare to work" effects us all, waged or unwaged.  Low income, temporary and insecure jobs will be replaced by "work for your benefits". Privatisation of the Department for Work and Pensions role, e.g. bringing in profit hungry firms such as A4e, is an attack on DWP/ Jobcentre Plus workers and on our rights to access welfare."

Unemployed people claiming Job Seekers Allowance are, after a specified period signing on, forced to attend private companies such as A4e under threat of having their benefits stopped.  A4e, in their turn, try to force these claimants  to work for their benefits on temporary work placements at both voluntary sector organisations and at private companies.  ECAP are urging workers to pressure their employers not to use this slave labour.

Edinburgh Coalition Against Poverty, c/o Autonomous Centre of Edinburgh, 17 West Montgomery Place, Edinburgh EH7 5HA ecap@lists.riseup.net    www.edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk   Drop in advice and solidarity sessions on benefits, debt and housing hassles run in conjunction with Edinburgh Claimants every Tuesday 12- 3pm at the Autonomous Centre.  Tel 0131 557 6242

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Re: Protesters Shut Down A4e Edinburgh Office

Top Marks. For a start any scheme should be voluntary.

Hope other parts of scotland take the initiative to stop slave labour. Well done in showing people can stat to change things

 

In my area there are few companies and alot were just using placement people. Why hire new staff when you could ask for more placements was the attitude at one place, and not offered a job after the placement.

How can someone gain employement when the few companies are using these schemes so they can reduce wages.

I also think that looking for work schems that make you sit at the place everyday 9-4 for 3 months plus looking for work was counter productive and demorilising. 16 -30 ppl 1 phone,doesnt work well

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A good question to ask: Is A4E trying to undermine the legal minimum wage? By forcing large numbers of people to essentially work for almost no money undermines the minimum wage and undermines the job market.

This in turn could collapse the employment/jobs market and make things very very ugly....

 

Maybe A4E's new mission statement should be : "Arbeits Mach Frei".....

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Anonymous wrote:

A good question to ask: Is A4E trying to undermine the legal minimum wage? By forcing large numbers of people to essentially work for almost no money undermines the minimum wage and undermines the job market.

This in turn could collapse the employment/jobs market and make things very very ugly....

 

Maybe A4E's new mission statement should be : "Arbeits Mach Frei".....

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Yes, I notice there's been little mention of how many hours people on the work for benefits scheme will be expected to do.  The minimum wage would only cover around 10 a week, wouldn't it?

 

The whole thing stinks.  If people were all the same it might work.  But the problem is, people respond differently to different forms of encouragement.  Some people need a kick up the arse before they do anything, that's just what they're like.  Others can't take being told what to do and just rebel - any half-decent schoolteacher will tell you that.

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More A4e fuckwittery, this time in relation to their running of the "UK citizenship test":

A4e, the company that runs League of Gentlemen-style job clubs and administers the Home Office test for would-be citizens, has apologised to 24,000 people whose details were on a laptop stolen from one of its staff.

A4e said it had written to 24,000 people in Hull and Leicester to warn them, but it believes the risk of illegal use of the details is low. The individuals were all users of two community legal centres.

The laptop was stolen from a staff member's home. Data included names, postcodes, dates of birth and possible court awards.

The Register.

Re: Protesters Shut Down A4e Edinburgh Office

I for one was made unemployed as a result of redundancy and where I received very little help from the Job Centre to help me get back into work, A4e were able to find me a placement in a workplace that I was interested in and now I'm back into full time employment.  Fair enough, it's less than ideal working 30 hours a week for the same amount you get off the dole but without them I seriously doubt I would have gotten back into full time employment.  Fair enough if you're doing voluntary work elsewhere but the majority of people on the dole I'd speak to in the A4e office weren't remotely interested in finding work and were more than happy to try and squeeze as much money out of the system as they could get without having to get up off their arses.

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Anonymous wrote:

I for one was made unemployed as a result of redundancy and where I received very little help from the Job Centre to help me get back into work, A4e were able to find me a placement in a workplace that I was interested in and now I'm back into full time employment.  Fair enough, it's less than ideal working 30 hours a week for the same amount you get off the dole but without them I seriously doubt I would have gotten back into full time employment.  Fair enough if you're doing voluntary work elsewhere but the majority of people on the dole I'd speak to in the A4e office weren't remotely interested in finding work and were more than happy to try and squeeze as much money out of the system as they could get without having to get up off their arses.

Ok I may just be misunderstanding your comment but are you saying that your working 30 hours a week for THE same money as you would get on jobseekers? for instance I get £50.55 per week on jobseekers so if you where me your would be getting the same for 30 hours week? if so Why? I'm unemployed but like hell would I do 30 hours a week for just over £50.

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I am attending A4e at the moment ,and just finished a four week work placement that A4e sent us to it was called KDS training. Whilst on the second day at KDS training the facilitator treated us like we were on community service, in fact I think community service may treat there people better, as the facilitator seemed to lose control and and shouted at us to "shut the fuck up". He then told us he would have us sanctioned, which is recieving no benefits. This company seems to be expanding due to the fact that they constantly take photos of everyone for them to put on thier web page to look good.These companies a rakeing in a fortune skimming over NLP tecniques that simply dont work at finding people jobs .  They guarantee to find people jobs ,but noone from our group has had any phone call yet.

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Anon who attended KDS Training.  Can you please post their Edinburgh address?

Anonymous wrote:

I am attending A4e at the moment ,and just finished a four week work placement that A4e sent us to it was called KDS training. Whilst on the second day at KDS training the facilitator treated us like we were on community service, in fact I think community service may treat there people better, as the facilitator seemed to lose control and and shouted at us to "shut the fuck up". He then told us he would have us sanctioned, which is recieving no benefits. This company seems to be expanding due to the fact that they constantly take photos of everyone for them to put on thier web page to look good.These companies a rakeing in a fortune skimming over NLP tecniques that simply dont work at finding people jobs .  They guarantee to find people jobs ,but noone from our group has had any phone call yet.

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Anonymous wrote:

Whilst on the second day at KDS training the facilitator treated us like we were on community service.

Maybe it was because you all acted as if you were on Community Service rather than treating it as a much needed bit of work experience.

No one is going to hand you a job on a plate, you have to prove that you are capable of doing a hard day's work to get noticed by an employer and any kind of work (whether it is voluntary or mandatory) will certainly make you a bit more attractive, than someone simply taking and giving nothing back.

Think about it

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I think in general a4e seem to be doing a good job in trying to help the people who want to be helped and gaining experience is a good idea as most employers will not look at you if you don't have any or any recently. Most people,however, will resent being made to do things. I am currently on a work placement and my housing benefit has been suspended, whilst I do not mind gaining valuable experience for no numercal renumeration as a mutually beneficial arrangement I do resent being worse off as I cannot afford to cover the rent on what I currently have. I don't understand why they have to change the benfits around whilst on a work placement anyway, it just seems to over complicate matters.

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 It is 'Arbeit macht frei'.

I attended A4e for around a year 2009-2010, in Edinburgh, Earl Grey Street. I found the managers and workers there mostly useless apparachiks and their treatment of the unemployed was terrible. Treated them (us) like criminals. Also they had this ethos of health and safety taken to such an extreme that e.g. it was against the rules to carry a cup of coffee from one floor to another, ostensibly because if the coffee (or water etc) was spilt, a dangerous health hazard could result...i.e. people slipping and injuring themselves.

A4e is a cowboy outfit and should be shut down and the people who work there should be the ones signing on.  Personally, I hate doley-scum...and saw plenty at A4e, but I also saw people genuinely in need and never were their needs met....in simple terms because those responsible in positions of authority had neither the qualifications nor intent to help...they were merely told to be like latter-day Gestapo or Stasi, when dealing with the unemployed.

I moved to China and am a very respected teacher in a government school here (as distinct to private school!). By that I mean it is damned hard to get a government school job and only those, and such as those (foreigners) are ever invited. Private schools....teachers don't care about the students and deserve no respect.

Anyway, I will never be back to Scottyland or the UK.  Fail, fail, fail! As for A4e.....it is funny really, looking back now as an outsider. I hope some managers are imprisoned and the workers sacked.

And to be successful in China as a lone individual,  you have to be very tough and lucky and clever and create a network of contacts, else you will be back to the UK in under 2 years...back to A4e maybe? Malaysia is good too, Thailand over-rated...Vietnam is a nightmare. Malaysia is best bet after China...or Japan or Korea are popular, but too muck like USA for me.

I love it so much, I changed my name.

老马   

 

 

Anonymous wrote:

A good question to ask: Is A4E trying to undermine the legal minimum wage? By forcing large numbers of people to essentially work for almost no money undermines the minimum wage and undermines the job market.

This in turn could collapse the employment/jobs market and make things very very ugly....

 

Maybe A4E's new mission statement should be : "Arbeits Mach Frei".....

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