Well done again to all who took part in this operation.

Maybe one day the capitalist society that we are forced to live within, will be a fairer system for all citizens. And that the police force who work for us will be there to protect not only the corrupt rich.

Even if a Section 60 was in place it does not give the police the right to demand ID. Section 60 allows the police to search you for weapons 'in anticipation of violence'. They would also have the legal right to ask you to take off any mask or face covering.

It sound like they were attempting to use Section 13 which allows them to ask for ID if they suspect you of committing or being witness to, an offence. They must tell you the offence which they suspect you have committed or been witness to.

There is no lgal obligation on you to comply with being photographed or filmed, unless you have been arrested and charged.

For more on this see link below.

http://scalp.noflag.org.uk/legal-guide/#12

Keep your wits about you and know your rights, and keep up the good work!

Any pictures of the plain clothes cop you could put up here?

Cop with his back to camera in pic 2 appears to not be displaying his number. If this is the case then challenge anyone who appears to be a police officer to identify themselves. If they refuse, complain to their sergeant, then the inspector and write down anything said by them, the time and place etc and take a picture clearly showing the unidentified 'officer' not displaying his number and complain by letter to the chief constable.

Don't let them get away with it!

Adding pic of plain clothes.

You're having a laugh about reporting lack on numbers to inspectors & commanders: On the last student protest none of the rank had anything but their pips showing.

Anonymous wrote:

Any pictures of the plain clothes cop you could put up here?

Cop with his back to camera in pic 2 appears to not be displaying his number. If this is the case then challenge anyone who appears to be a police officer to identify themselves. If they refuse, complain to their sergeant, then the inspector and write down anything said by them, the time and place etc and take a picture clearly showing the unidentified 'officer' not displaying his number and complain by letter to the chief constable.

Don't let them get away with it!

Higher than the rank of Sergent aren't required to display their number, but are supposed to give their name if its "reasonable" ie. not in the iddle of something.

Herzl wrote:

Adding pic of plain clothes.

You're having a laugh about reporting lack on numbers to inspectors & commanders: On the last student protest none of the rank had anything but their pips showing.

 

 

Anonymous wrote:

Any pictures of the plain clothes cop you could put up here?

Cop with his back to camera in pic 2 appears to not be displaying his number. If this is the case then challenge anyone who appears to be a police officer to identify themselves. If they refuse, complain to their sergeant, then the inspector and write down anything said by them, the time and place etc and take a picture clearly showing the unidentified 'officer' not displaying his number and complain by letter to the chief constable.

Don't let them get away with it!

I was at this protest on Saturday and it was a disappointing, albeit eye-opening, affair. All credit to those who turned up and put the effort in, however it seemed as though everyone (the police included) was expecting collective mobility on a much grander scale.

I spoke to a lot of shoppers passing by generally intrigued by the excessive police presence in the area, and relayed the politic of the campaign. Responses ranged from perplexed frowns to indifferent nods of acknowledgement. Few if any showed great sympathy with the aims of the protest but many were drawn in by the initial commotion.

Some tracksuit-clad youngsters seemed engaged by the prospect of defiance in the face of authority. After seeing the kinds of people protesting, they quickly defected. There is an undeniable sentiment held in the mainstream Glasgwegian consciousness and Scottish consciousness at large, that those who protest are some how different from the rest of us. I guess this kind of attitude is necessarily inherent to the idea of a public protest.   

This got me thinking. What if those protesting were tracksuit clad skinheads? What kind of a response would this collective agency generate from a Glasgow public? The inversion of cultural extremes in the context of political agency could be a very powerful instrument in the fight against hegemony. 

Fabbri wrote:

Higher than the rank of Sergent aren't required to display their number, but are supposed to give their name if its "reasonable" ie. not in the iddle of something.

Herzl wrote:

Adding pic of plain clothes.

You're having a laugh about reporting lack on numbers to inspectors & commanders: On the last student protest none of the rank had anything but their pips showing.

 

 

Anonymous wrote:

Any pictures of the plain clothes cop you could put up here?

Cop with his back to camera in pic 2 appears to not be displaying his number. If this is the case then challenge anyone who appears to be a police officer to identify themselves. If they refuse, complain to their sergeant, then the inspector and write down anything said by them, the time and place etc and take a picture clearly showing the unidentified 'officer' not displaying his number and complain by letter to the chief constable.

Don't let them get away with it!

I'm not sure who you might be Billy? The guy in teh Barbour jacket maybe?

All the people I overheard and spoke too were vocally in favour of the protest... maybe you attracted the few people in Glasgow that support the Tories and like rich people getting off paying their taxes.

Kind of odd that you seem to want to perpetuate the idea that the activists weren't part of the community... there was a high proportion of working class Glaswegians present???

I know that first Vodafone action and the last student protest saw passers by joining in and most of the people on this action were involved in those too.

You sure you didn't turn up for the 10am action that never happened???

Anonymous wrote:

I was at this protest on Saturday and it was a disappointing, albeit eye-opening, affair. All credit to those who turned up and put the effort in, however it seemed as though everyone (the police included) was expecting collective mobility on a much grander scale.

I spoke to a lot of shoppers passing by generally intrigued by the excessive police presence in the area, and relayed the politic of the campaign. Responses ranged from perplexed frowns to indifferent nods of acknowledgement. Few if any showed great sympathy with the aims of the protest but many were drawn in by the initial commotion.

Some tracksuit-clad youngsters seemed engaged by the prospect of defiance in the face of authority. After seeing the kinds of people protesting, they quickly defected. There is an undeniable sentiment held in the mainstream Glasgwegian consciousness and Scottish consciousness at large, that those who protest are some how different from the rest of us. I guess this kind of attitude is necessarily inherent to the idea of a public protest.   

This got me thinking. What if those protesting were tracksuit clad skinheads? What kind of a response would this collective agency generate from a Glasgow public? The inversion of cultural extremes in the context of political agency could be a very powerful instrument in the fight against hegemony. 

Fabbri wrote:

Higher than the rank of Sergent aren't required to display their number, but are supposed to give their name if its "reasonable" ie. not in the iddle of something.

Herzl wrote:

Adding pic of plain clothes.

You're having a laugh about reporting lack on numbers to inspectors & commanders: On the last student protest none of the rank had anything but their pips showing.

 

 

Anonymous wrote:

Any pictures of the plain clothes cop you could put up here?

Cop with his back to camera in pic 2 appears to not be displaying his number. If this is the case then challenge anyone who appears to be a police officer to identify themselves. If they refuse, complain to their sergeant, then the inspector and write down anything said by them, the time and place etc and take a picture clearly showing the unidentified 'officer' not displaying his number and complain by letter to the chief constable.

Don't let them get away with it!

Yes, it was section 13. I refused to be filmed or give my name, after asking whether I was legally obliged to do so and told 'no'. So I walked away.

However, as soon as I left the FIT team, I was apprehended by officer V447 and told that I was legally obliged to give him my details. I said I had just been told I wasn't by the other cops, he said that was just with regard to being filmed. We argued for a bit, he read section 13 to me twice, for his own benefit the second time.

I know my rights and know I don't have to give details unless suspected of a crime. He went from saying I had to give details but didn't know what the crime was. Then he said, "ok then, let's just call it breach of the peace", so I accused him of making it up as he went along. This is when he read section 13 again and said I was obliged to give him my details as a witness this time, in case they needed to contact me later as they were investigating whether a crime had been commited in the store. I told him, as a witness, I never witnessed any crime. It was at this point he started threatening arrest, so I gave my details, very reluctantly and told him it was under duress.

I intend to make a complaint as I do not think there was legal grounds to force me to give my details.

 I totally agree Herzl, thought the same thing when I read Billy's comment. I found, as at all the other Vodafone protests I've attended, that the majority of the public were supportive. Think I only heard one negative comment, which was a ned showing off in front of his ned pals when he shouted "you're an embarrassment!". It won't be that when most his family are forced off sickness benefits and into work! ;)

By 'guy in the barbour jacket' do you mean the 'undercover' cop? Don't think that was a barbour jacket, but aye, he stuck out like a spare prick!  haha!

Herzl wrote:

I'm not sure who you might be Billy? The guy in teh Barbour jacket maybe?

All the people I overheard and spoke too were vocally in favour of the protest... maybe you attracted the few people in Glasgow that support the Tories and like rich people getting off paying their taxes.

Kind of odd that you seem to want to perpetuate the idea that the activists weren't part of the community... there was a high proportion of working class Glaswegians present???

I know that first Vodafone action and the last student protest saw passers by joining in and most of the people on this action were involved in those too.

You sure you didn't turn up for the 10am action that never happened???

 

Anonymous wrote:

I was at this protest on Saturday and it was a disappointing, albeit eye-opening, affair. All credit to those who turned up and put the effort in, however it seemed as though everyone (the police included) was expecting collective mobility on a much grander scale.

I spoke to a lot of shoppers passing by generally intrigued by the excessive police presence in the area, and relayed the politic of the campaign. Responses ranged from perplexed frowns to indifferent nods of acknowledgement. Few if any showed great sympathy with the aims of the protest but many were drawn in by the initial commotion.

Some tracksuit-clad youngsters seemed engaged by the prospect of defiance in the face of authority. After seeing the kinds of people protesting, they quickly defected. There is an undeniable sentiment held in the mainstream Glasgwegian consciousness and Scottish consciousness at large, that those who protest are some how different from the rest of us. I guess this kind of attitude is necessarily inherent to the idea of a public protest.   

This got me thinking. What if those protesting were tracksuit clad skinheads? What kind of a response would this collective agency generate from a Glasgow public? The inversion of cultural extremes in the context of political agency could be a very powerful instrument in the fight against hegemony. 

Fabbri wrote:

Higher than the rank of Sergent aren't required to display their number, but are supposed to give their name if its "reasonable" ie. not in the iddle of something.

Herzl wrote:

Adding pic of plain clothes.

You're having a laugh about reporting lack on numbers to inspectors & commanders: On the last student protest none of the rank had anything but their pips showing.

 

 

Anonymous wrote:

Any pictures of the plain clothes cop you could put up here?

Cop with his back to camera in pic 2 appears to not be displaying his number. If this is the case then challenge anyone who appears to be a police officer to identify themselves. If they refuse, complain to their sergeant, then the inspector and write down anything said by them, the time and place etc and take a picture clearly showing the unidentified 'officer' not displaying his number and complain by letter to the chief constable.

Don't let them get away with it!