Good job! great to see actions that could actually stop CO2 emissions and aren't just media stunts.

I'm disappointed. Did no-one think to experiment with other types of bean? Are mung beans the only suitably-sized legume, or does soy work just as well? How long before the Evening News calls for carrying dried beans to be treated as "going eqipped" by the police?

power to the mung bean. Go scotland mischief! woo woop.

I sprout mung beans in a jar, they are the easiest bean to sprout. They are very tasty. Its like salad growing in a jar in your kitchen. It doesn't get more fresh than that! mmmmm mung beans :)

In future they will be replaced by patriotic beans that pass a UK citizenship test. Like Heinz baked beans. You don't see them deflating car tyres, do you? Possession of other types of beans will of course be permitted, subject to licensing and registration. The whereabouts of each mung bean in your possession must be accounted for and if necessary the beans will be placed under a control order forbidding them to leave the house at night-time or for more than 2 hours at a time.

Suicide cattle squad block motorway traffic: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Stray-cattle-cause-rushhour-cha...

"One was struck by a train, one by a lorry, and the remaining two were shot by a police marksman" :(

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Beans-meanz-crimes-for-eco.... "One of the activists' victims was Grange-based Evening News columnist Helen Martin (pictured above). Her Nissan Terrano had all four of its tyres deflated."

LMAO

So you say We targeted one of Edinburghs' more affluent areas for our April fools fun! We chose only rich peoples vehicles to symbolise how the wealthy and powerful are mainly responsible for the destruction of our planet. So basically you don't give a flying duck about climate change you only motivation is jealousy. Why target sports car which are normally lighter and more fuel efficient then people carriers? The simple reason is that a sports car is a sign of what you hate which is money and success You are nothing more then simple vandals

This will achieve NOTHING. If you really care about 'pollution' and 'climate change', why are you not concentrating your efforts on something more significant? Road freight that should be Rail freight for example? How polluting are lorries? Even if you got rid of all 4x4s on Britain's roads tomorrow, the difference to overall CO2 emissions would be negligible at best. [ABUSE REMOVED BY ADMIN]

"We targeted one of Edinburghs' more affluent areas for our April fools fun! We chose only rich peoples vehicles to symbolise how the wealthy and powerful are mainly responsible for the destruction of our planet." Fair play "So basically you don't give a flying duck about climate change you only motivation is jealousy." No it's not jealousy, it's anger. Whilst I personally had nothing to do with this and am quite skeptical of targeting individual consumption I am extremely fucking angry that the wealthy of this world jet set it about at the expense of the rest of us. That the privilege of the upper classes is protected whilst the rest of us toil on in shitty jobs seeing our communities destroyed and our neighbourhoods left to rack and ruin. The rich get richer and the poor get shat on. The wealthy will not be the ones to suffer the effects of climate change as they will be the able to afford to protect themselves, at least in the beginning. "Why target sports car which are normally lighter and more fuel efficient then people carriers?" Rich wankers need to be targeted like this anyway. They only sleep in their beds at night because we let them after all. How does that old saying go again? We don't want a slice of the cake, we want the whole fucking bakery! "The simple reason is that a sports car is a sign of what you hate which is money and success You are nothing more then simple vandals" Letting the tyres down on a few rich arseholes cars is vandalism whilst the destruction of our towns and cities, our communities and environment is what? Part of the game? Balls.

Some of your comments are about to be hidden because they breach our Editorial Guidelines (http://scotland.indymedia.org/mod/info/display/policy/index.php), Unlike what you may be used to, the purpose of this site is not for people to vent frustrations and trade insults.

I wonder if the admission of vandalism on this website will stand up as evidence in court? p.s B. Mung You are a silly boy, and I am going on an extra long drive around the countryside in my sports car at the weekend to offset the Co2 that you saved :)

Okay sunshine... While your out growing your mungbeans and sharing the love, I and many others on the other hand are working damned hard may I add to fund myself, my home, and my car while also subsidising your futile existance? Just how do you justify damaging someone else's property? You have flattened god-knows how many tyes which could now have sidewall damage and need to be replaced causing more "glerbal warming" in producing the tyre, having the car towed to be repaired, and the old tyres disposed of? You really are not that clever. [THREAT REMOVED BY ADMIN]

So you target the rich as they are responsible for "killing the planet". What about the Chinese who are producing huge amounts of pollution - are you too scared to go to China and try to do something about it? I very much doubt you will as you prefer to stay at home and commit petty crime in the name of "climate change". Why target cars when there are much more polluting things out there?

Its interesting to see that the websites editors seem to feel its necessary to edit bad language and (alleged) threats from the Pro 4x4 camp yet they seem happy to leave all swearing and abuse from the Anti 4x4 camp. my $0.02 ... the consequences of this sort of action could have cost people’s lives, (those driving and innocent bystanders) if someone had driven off in one of these vehicles whilst the tires were still deflating and subsequently got involved in an accident. You are probably lucky that you are not facing manslaughter charges as a consequence of such an incident.

And supposing the driver had driven off before the tyres had fully deflated and crashed killing or injuring innocent people? Sounds like a really well thought out "April Fools" to me. Pathetic idiots!

So, why is the focus on something that is one of the smallest contributors to pollution? Why not target developing nations for their incredibly harmful policies regarding environmental matters. And consider that many modern sports cars (see Lotus Elise as one) are amongst the most fuel efficent and eco friendly around. Surely this is a message of pettiness rather than any attitude of environmental concern

* the person who posted this story is not affliated to the website. That's how open publishing works. * We remove threats and abuse from all sides, not just pro-4x4 folks. Swear words we don't give a fuck about but abuse is still abuse when it's spelt abu53 to get round content filters. * [edited: ay nevermind.]

I drive a 4x4. A big, expensive one with a big engine. I'm not saying I couldn't live without it, but I need the off-road capability. However, as many others, with 'economical' cars FAIL to do, I: * Drive at economical speeds within the speed limits. * Never make unnecessary journeys. * Never drive when I could walk, run or cycle. * Ensure my home energy use is economical. * Recycle, a lot. * Buy locally produced food as often as possible. * Keep (and maintain well) my cars for a longer than average time. * Do much less than average mileage. * Try and use public transport where possible(not easy!!) etc etc etc And yet, with your blinkered views about nice cars/sports cars/4x4s etc, you would not bother to find out and consider all the above information, you would simply, and happily vandalize my car. Unbelievable.

Miserablist - Thank you for confirming that this is merely the hate-filled action of a few jealous fools

Well done! There can be no dount that all those rich people will now sell their big cars and buy bikes. No doubt at all. Cheers, FT.

You've removed my post! It contained no abuse, but merely pointed out that I live a relatively 'green' lifestyle but happen to drive (for far less than average mileage) a 4x4, and that just targeting cars with no knowledge of how the owner contributes or lives their life is nothing but mindless vandalism. Why was this removed? It contained only facts about my lifestyle and car choice. This kind of censorship is unforgiveable.

That comment got caught up in a bulk-hiding of duplicate abusive comments. It was meant to be left in place and has now been un-hidden. Nice example of why abuse / duplicate posts aren't appreciated here. Far too easy for signal to get lost in noise.

So what is going on here is that you think it is acceptable to punish, or coerce, or encourage those who do (in your eyes) wrong (pollute the environment, and display wealth and prosperity in an ostentatious way) by, in this case, vandalising their property. Now, aside from the obvious, serious, dangers to this (rich sod gets in car, doesn't realise tyres are deflating, tyre blows out - rich sod dies), I was under the impression that there was one body that had the right to coerce us into doing things we don't agree with. The government. That's what laws are for. We don't agree with some things, we don't like some things, but we are forced to abide by rules (the law) for the good of society. If you think the government is failing in it's duty to protect society (from the evils of pollution and rich people) then exercise your democratic right, and vote. Simple as that. The reason what you did was wrong, was because you took the moral code into your own hands. You think the rest of society should behave as you see fit, and you don't give the rest of society a chance to have their say. Crumbs. What would happen if you were in government? Making society behave as you see fit without letting them have a chance to have their voice heard? Sounds rather dictatorial to me.

if you remove abuse then why is miserablist comments still here To quote Rich wankers need to be targeted like this anyway. They only sleep in their beds at night because we let them after all and Letting the tyres down on a few rich arseholes cars is vandalism Surely then that myself as an owner of a sportscar then i am being insulted and my property threatened

oops, I am getting lost in administering the comments. Saying that ch does a much better job. Well what to say about it all? Deflating tyres might be a childish thing to do, but then its actually good if the selfish and greedy owners of SUV and sports cars are actually confronted and forced into thinking at least once a lifetime for a minute. The majority of society thinks you are careless, selfish, greedy, ignorant, conscienceless bunch anyways, who doesn't give a damn about the world around themselves, less about the pedestrians who will suffer increased level of injuries and a higher mortality rate if hit by SUV than by normal car at same speed. SUV are really only acceptable if people live in the highlands and countryside. You obsessed car owners can blast out your disagreement in the comment section but that won't change anything about the facts.

I normally run my Range Rover on LPG. Just for "miserablist" I will be running on Super Unleaded for the next month. 3200 miles at 16.1 MPG is a lot of fuel. Fortunately I can afford it as I'm one of the rich wankers destroying the Earth. Miserablist, people like you disgust me. You really need to research your facts before spouting rubbish. Figures show that it tends to be the more intelligent and wealthier sections of society that are leading the way in going green, with recycling far higher in wealthier boroughs. Supporting action like vandalism just exposes you as someone of sub standard intelligence. Your views are nothing more than communist views with a hatred for those who have, unlike you, made a success of their lives.

"Figures show that it tends to be the more intelligent and wealthier sections of society that are leading the way in going green, with recycling far higher in wealthier boroughs. Curn, you're wrong. The rich consume more and are responsible for the majority of pollution. Compare the per-capita emissions of the USA and, well, every other country on earth. Recycling is a mitigation measure not a solution. "China China China" you say? Who buys the things they manufacture? The rich do. And there's no correlation between income and intelligence, either.

Are you stupid or just jealous Mung? The fact of the matter is, you have inconvenienced over 30 people, for absolutely no gain. I ask if you are stupid not as an insult, more out of curiousity to see if you are actually aware of the danger you pose to motorists. Say your little trick doesn't quite work it's magic - the tyres only lose 15-20psi and therefore still look partly inflated to a casual observer. Will you take responsibility for the potential accident that could happen when they drive their car next morning? No? Didn't think so.....

ch, i just hid some comment for swearing... because seems to escalate the atmosphere even more - although I find the pricing of car tyres really interesting. Should I just take the swearing bit out then? Oh yes, we are totally subjective on what we hide...! Take or leave it - you can go back to the Edinburgh Evening News for pro-capitalist, pro- Labour party coverage and editorial.

C H says; "China China China" you say? Who buys the things they manufacture? The rich do. Actually, mostly the poor do; who exactly do you think produces most of the cheap goods that paupers buy in the likes of ASDA and Tesco?

Einion Yrth says C H says; "China China China" you say? Who buys the things they manufacture? The rich do. Actually, mostly the poor do; who exactly do you think produces most of the cheap goods that paupers buy in the likes of ASDA and Tesco? Good point. if anything the rich by all the free range items that the poor would not be able to afford. a 4x4 is the least of your worries look at the scale and size of CO2 coming out of mass production factories you have your priorities flipped. It sounds to me like you are just jealous of "the rich" but the thing is I know a lot of people with 4x4s that are no where near rich come on sort this out....

"Actually, mostly the poor do; who exactly do you think produces most of the cheap goods that paupers buy in the likes of ASDA and Tesco?" ..and what's the relative income of: a) poor person in China b) poor person in UK? There's heaps of issues to be unpacked there (credit, relative v. absolute measures of poverty, etc) but for these purposes, the point is that the goods are flowing in one direction. China's emissions are our emissions. I don't have a quarrel with people taking the cheapest of alternatives when they don't have many choices. But if you can afford to drive then you're already in the richest bracket of the world's population and you have quite a few choices.

"China China China" you say? Who buys the things they manufacture? The rich do. I didn't say anything about China. I buy local whereever possible.

If you hit a kid at 40mph there's an 80% chance you'll kill them. If you hit a kid at 30mph but some vandal has caused your tyres to slowly deflate meaning you can't brake safely, what percentage chance do you think the kid has now? Really clever work there!

I think its stunts like this that actually do more harm than good. I drive a sports car, but I have recently bought a very small low emissions car for commuting to help cut my fuel costs and do a bit for the environment. When I read about people pulling pathetic stunts like this it angers me. You can all rest assured that I will be using my TVR sportscar for work for the rest of the week, 100 miles @ 10mpg instead of 55mpg I get in my C1. You can try bullying car owners into not using the cars, but ultimately its up to us, the car owners, whether we use them or not. Get us onside then you may stand a chance of some form of success. Cheerio!

Don't you realise that lowering tyre pressures actually INCREASES fuel consumption? I take it that you mung bean type people don't use cars yourselves?!

well, I wish the police would have been so keen in investigating the person who smashed up my parents car and tried to set it ablaze. They didn't even want to come down from their police station and then they just had a look at it and said they couldn't and/or wouldn't do anything, not even check the petrol bottle (which luckily didn't go off) for a print. Apparently it all depends on where you live and what type of number plate and car you have got if you get any attention at all...and if you are employed by the Edinburgh Evening News respectively and if there is a bbbbbiiig feature on it.

See ScotIndymedia report about Glasgow Fossil Fools - the part about a Fool being pushed - very aggressively I may add. Now the driver of said 4x4 was blatantly parked on a double yellow line on a very narrow street close to a school with his engine idling and lots of kids about. Yet he has the gall to phone the police because his car was the centre of attention of, and touched and feather-dusted by, a load of Fossil Fools. I think that a 4x4 confers on many owners an arrogance that says 'I have paid a lot of money for this status symbol, pay road tax etc etc and this allows me to drive more dangerously, bully other road users, and call the cops when I and my car are not worshipped and treated with the respect my money confers on me and my car'. A big selling point of 4x4s is the safety aspect, safety that is for those inside. It has been shown that the more safe one feels in a car the more risky your behaviour behind the wheel is likely to be, and the more dangerous for anyone else on or near the road, children, cyclists, pedestrians, you know, other people. ‘The Hummer he explains is "a war machine," which says "if you want to fight, I can fight. But you will die.’ http://www.azcentral.com/class/marketplace/cars/0325wheels25cars.html ‘S.U.V.s are unsafe because they make their drivers feel safe. That feeling of safety isn't the solution; it's the problem.’ http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html Please read and consider the whole article before responding. Now, some contributors to this site claim that they are a special case, as they 'need' THEIR 4x4s, just the same as all car owners/users claim. Yet nothing justifies the ownership and use of such big cars in an urban environment except the status element advertisers use to kid you that YOU are special, YOU need this big car to run to Tescos or drop the kids off at school, and (by implication) the planet and everything else on it can go fuck. You are more special than them because you have more money to buy ‘safety’, when in fact you are a bigger risk to others. See above comment by ‘thinforth’ that ‘you only motivation is jealousy.’ Jealous of what? Your big smelly noisy dangerous car? ‘a sports car is a sign of what you hate which is money and success’ says thinforth, who is so caught up in his advertiser distorted idea of himself and what constitutes success that deviation from his self evident truth can only arise from being jealous! Sorry to insert this into article about disabled SUVs but there have been so many angry comments above that I know that some of you big car owners will read this here which you will not see anywhere else. So PLEASE think about your ‘need’ for your SUV and the concommitant dangers to life on earth, both those in your immediate vicinity, your personal responsibility to climate chaos, and the lives of your own children, who will have to leave their SUV womb and walk about amongst other people who, you hope, will behave responsibly towards them.

Oh and 1 more thing if you really really cared about the environment instead of destroying folks car why don't you go and help an OAP to insulate their loft They will be warmer They will be happier They will spend less on fuel OH and they will be emitted less plant food gas heating their property

Why not sell your SUV (and buy a small environmentaly friendly car if you must), and use the money to insulate OAP's lofts?

"Just for "miserablist" I will be running on Super Unleaded for the next month. 3200 miles at 16.1 MPG is a lot of fuel." You go for it chum. I'm not exactly what one would consider an environmentalist I just like it when the rich have their lives made more uncomfortable. Oh, and 16.1 mpg?? What kind of a pillock buys a motor that only does 16.1 mpg?? Oh that's right, I guess CH was wrong about a correlation between wealth and intelligence.

So miserablist has admitted is it pure jealousy that he agree with actions like these? Nothing to do with the environment, he is, in fact, merely communist. How marvelous. If you read what yoiu oput you will see exactly how pathgetic you sound. Who buys cars that do 16 mpg? Those who can afford to, that's who. The fact that they are earning a decent wage means that the chances are they are more intelligent than the average person. Your argument is making no sense at all. Oh, and a shout out to the mods, who have no idea what a balanced debate is. You just keep removing stuff that doesn't happen to agree with your astandpoint. That's democracy for you.

ERM I already own a small economical car. Its very green as it is easily repaired and very few plastic parts so easy to recycle. Also made entirely in the in the UK by a small company Exactly the kind thing that is seen as green But its a sports car so therefore it is seen as an instrument of class repression

"But its a sports car so therefore it is seen as an instrument of class repression" Climate change is a class issue: the people who will be the worst effected will be the people without sports cars.

"Climate change is a class issue: the people who will be the worst effected will be the people without sports cars." Nonsense.

People in bangladesh are already having to cope with extreme floods and longer periods of drought due to climate change, and is forcing families out of their homes, making them environmental refugees. see this bbc news article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5344002.stm Who do you think will be better able to cope with flooding and moving to another part of the country to live? the sports-car owners, or the subsistance farmer? 150,000 people a year die already as a result of climate change, like people in bangladesh, according to the World Health Organisation.

I have a 4x4. And a condensing boiler, 300mm of loft insulation, a heat recovery system, cavity wall insulation, total pipe lagging, low-e glazing, next step is solar water heating. [ABUSE REMOVED] Without my car, I wouldn't get out of our area in winter, it's that simple. It's a tool, not a prestige symbol. Ever stop to think what could happen if a family get in a car you have vandalised, then kill a bus queue when their deflating tyres finally give up their grip on the road. [ABUSE REMOVED] [ABUSE REMOVED] [ABUSE REMOVED] Driving cars with flat tyres uses more energy [ABUSE REMOVED]