"a shout out to the mods, who have no idea what a balanced debate is. You just keep removing stuff that doesn't happen to agree with your astandpoint." What has been hidden was abuse. Very few of the people making points (if they even bothered) were doing so without including insults and threats (i.e. see "voice of reason" above). Points made without macho posturing are still here.

Apologies for the 'abuse', but someone attempting to deliberately cause a car accident tends to bring out the worst in me. I've got kids, common sense, that kind of thing. Sorry. 4x4s are being taxed into extinction anyway, without people trying to kill anyone. Go break into someone's loft and insulate it, how about that? Makes more sense to me.

"So miserablist has admitted is it pure jealousy that he agree with actions like these?" Nope not jealousy, class hatred pure and simple. "Nothing to do with the environment, he is, in fact, merely communist." Merely a communist? Oh I like that one.Libertarian Communist maybe, or perhaps Anarchist. "How marvelous. If you read what yoiu oput you will see exactly how pathgetic you sound. Who buys cars that do 16 mpg?" Pillocks with more money than sense. "Those who can afford to, that's who." Like I said pillocks who incite me to class hatred that's who. "The fact that they are earning a decent wage means that the chances are they are more intelligent than the average person." No the fact that they are earning a "decent wage" means that they come from the right class background, has bugger all to do with intellect in most cases. "Your argument is making no sense at all." I could say the same about yours, oh look I just did! You wrongly equate affluence with intelligence and rights with privilege. Wealth is created by the working class and expropriated by the ruling class through the tools of capitalism. 4x4s and Sports cars paraded around as status symbols are in my opinion legitimate targets if you want to snub your nose at the wealthy. Not particularly constructive but funny all the same. Also if these people who let down the tyres took their lead from the other action of a day or two ago then they placed warning notes on all cars informing the drivers that their tyres had been let down and the cars were not safe to drive.

Transport as a whole (including lorries etc.)puts out 19% of all carbon dioxide emissions. The rest is produced by homes and industry. Why don't you concentrate on the fact that natural gas for homes has only 5% tax where petrol has 300%? Also, you may well complain about people being wealthy, but there are two ways you can resolve this: -Be a part of the society we live in and work to make yourself a decent amount of money, rather than spending your time vandalising what others have worked for, and yet still manage to boitch about them having more than you -Move to a communist country

"Also if these people who let down the tyres took their lead from the other action of a day or two ago then they placed warning notes on all cars informing the drivers that their tyres had been let down and the cars were not safe to drive." Notes? Surely these were made of paper, which was made from a tree which was happliy absorbing CO2 until someone came and chopped it down so some jealous communists could put it on someones car. Save CO2. Switch your computer off. Now.

And hold your breath for a few hours.....

The fact remains that even if we got rid of ALL road transport in the UK, it would make a truly negligible difference to CO2 emissions. Therefore, getting rid of some 4x4s and sports cars would really not make any difference. Plus, why are these 'activists' not campaigning against lorries and other very high polluting vehicles? The whole thing really does suggest jealousy. And it really is NOT a class war. I am from a working class background and so are the majority of my contemporaries. We have nice cars because we worked hard to be able to have them.

Do you not realise that 'rich wankers' actually provide many of the jobs through firms they create and also contribute revenue through taxation. Ask yourself, apart from placard carrying rebellion, what do you really contribute to society? Have you created jobs for other people, do you pay over 50K in direct tax (of which 28% goes to the NHS), what have you really achieved for this society?

They break our legs, and we say thank you, when they offer us crutches.

I drive a big 4x4 with a great big V8 petrol engine simply because I can (in fact, I have two V8's parked on my drive). If there weren't people like me who paid through the nose in taxation, many other people would have to [ABUSE REMOVED] and go and contribute to society in positive ways instead of these ridiculous, childish pranks. We live in a democracy and it is not illegal to own or drive these vehicles, so do not commit crimes against the owners. The government deal with CO2 pollution through taxation (whether their methods are appropriate, justified or for the right reasons is debateable) so there is absolutely no reason for [ABUSE REMOVED] to commit petty acts of vandalism through jealousy dressed up in the name of prevention of climate change. Quite frankly, [THREAT REMOVED].

For some reason, this site keeps posting my comments over and over again. Not trying to Spam you, admin please take note. Mind explaining that miserable person ? "They break our legs " ? How have your legs been broken ? Are you stuck in the 1800's ? We live in a meritocracy. You have access to capital - if you have a sound business plan, banks will lend you the money. You have no impediment to starting your own business. You have access to education - in many cases completely free. Explain how your legs are broken ? Perosnally I think your legs are broken by yourself, by your lack of usefull skill and intelligence, and nowhere do you make this more apparent than your acts of petty vandalism.

You will delete this comment but i will say it anyway My father is a brickie completely working class I used the free eductation system to gain qualifications and get a job i earn money to live a decent life style You are right the son of the elite (a brickie) has got a job through nothing more then the fact that my father is n a privileged position Brickie

People who vandalise other peoples property in the name of "green" are morons of the worst kind.

Dear B Mong, I'm impressed with your brilliant strategy. I'm going to do exactly the same thing to every Prius, bus and bicycle I can find. PS If any of those 34 cars wind up in an accident killing or injuring innocent passersby, will you regard them as collateral damage, as just part of the necessity of the war against the affluent? Not to mention the children of those affluent people ... not that they matter as much, obviously.

@Miserabilist: You're no more a Libertarian than I am an iguana. The fundamental tenets of Libertarianism include a respect for the rule of law and the respect for other people to do as they will. Neither are you an anarchist: your support for enforcing your views on others marks you out as a totalitarian.

Miserablist says he has 'class hatred' and 'hates the rich'. Are we to assume he's stifling his own success in life then? I wonder if he goes out of the way to avoid promotion, make sure he achieves nothing more than the title of 'shelf stacker' or whatever low paying job he must have to keep himself 'poor'. That's assuming he has a job? You don't have to be poor, what exactly is stopping you from going out with some aspirations? There's a big, wide world out there, go make something of it instead of doing nothing and complaining about people who have done better than yourself!

"@Miserabilist: You're no more a Libertarian than I am an iguana. The fundamental tenets of Libertarianism include a respect for the rule of law and the respect for other people to do as they will. Neither are you an anarchist: your support for enforcing your views on others marks you out as a totalitarian." heh heh We are not isolated by distance But by greed and our racist history Just a wall's width away Still impossible to reach across This space in front of me It's we who write this history We who guard the money-tree We support the companies We stole the colonies And when the system starts to crack We'll have to be ready to give it all back And when the system starts to crack We'll have to be ready to give it all back See the space which lies between the rich and the poor How the space increases as we keep on taking more Keeping that space between us all

MODS - Where has my post gone? I wrote a perfectly non abusive and constructive post and you've removed it, why? Too inntelligent and logical for you to handle?

Links to sites that claim man-made global warming is a fraud fall foul of the rule against posting "Infactual" content. There's plenty disinformation out there already as a result of a deliberate campaign by corporations heavily invested in the status quo. Make your points without reference to obvious nonsense.

CH, There was not a single link to ANY websites or reference anywhere to global warming not being man made. Did you actually read the post?

Since you said there was no abuse in your post I thought it was the "global warming conspiracy" one but it turns out yours was the one that started off "To all you Tree huggers." Unless you want people to start making reference to "carfuckers" then in the context of an overheated thread, that counts as abuse AFAIC. Feel free to repost it without abusive language.

CH, Calling someone a tree hugger is far less offensive than calling someone a rich wanker who doesn't care about the world. "In the context of an overheated thread"? Does that mean it would only be posted when it suits you? There were NO abusive remarks or comments in there. There were comments and suggestions as to how we as a community could campaign governments to help developing countries with technologies to be cleaner, or did you think that was abusive too? Or just constructive?

CH, Why should I need to repost without any abusive language, of which there was none anyway? You have edited plenty of the previous posts by other people and inserted [ABUSE REMOVED]. Blatant censorship because?

Not entering a conversation about this. Perhaps I should have said "in the context of an organised attempt at disruption from a pro-car webforum". The Editorial Policy is clear, as is the purpose of this website. What might be acceptable on that other forum isn't here. Editing posts is too time-consuming to do every time.

@miserabilist: "heh heh"? Is that all you can manage, apart from a cut and paste of some third-rate band's lyrics? Nothing useful to contribute? Much like the anarcho-syndicalists who go round deflating people's tyres, I suppose. Well, I shan't keep you from your Giro-cashing and Buckfast-buying. Have a nice day!

To all you 'activists' please, please, please just go an get a job. You can spend all your life moaning about the 'rich' but I suggest you come and join us, its actually a bloody good way to live. Then, if your opinions are still the same, you can make balanced and informed arguments to your peers. This whole us and them mentality has never and will never work to prove (or disprove!) any point - It simply causes conflict.

"Links to sites that claim man-made global warming is a fraud fall foul of the rule against posting "Infactual" content." LMAO Nothing like an open mind

I'm going out for a drive now, just for fun. My car does 18mpg on a 'fun run' and I intend to cause some pollution tonight, purely to piss you lot off. What you did is dangerous, pathetic, makes NO difference to any emissions in the long run and I'm astonished at what level of idiocy is being displayed by those who think vandalising a few cars will do. *makes note* We'll use you lot for bio-fuel in future, you're obviously adding nothing to society at present.

Ever worked hard to achieve something you really, really wanted? Ever had that thing trashed by some mindless, jealous moron who thinks he/she is on a crusade to save the planet? Probably not, I doubt most of you lot have ever done a days' honest work in your sorry lives - if you did, you wouldn't have time to pull stupid stunts like this. You could have caused hundreds of deaths - think about that next time you go out with a pocket full of beans to wage war against the real people.

God, I just watched a video on Youtube of a Deltic train engine being fired up. Clouds of smoke, gallons of diesel gone in minutes, probably enough CO2 to power a small lentil factory for a year. Pure mechanical porn; to get rid of the erection that it induced I'm gonna have to take the car out for a nice long thrash. Amazing how much fuel an old carburetted 2-litre can go through, no catalytic convertor to strangle it either, just the exchange of fossil fuel for speed... mmmmmmmmmm. Better than sex - well, better than sex with smelly hippies, anyway

Any of you guys going to Goa to find yourselves during your gap year? The fuel for one persons share of that flight equals the amount of CO2 emmited by a Range Rover in a year. Enjoy your hols and keep believing the agitprop. You are the goverments new foot soldiers not anarchists - misguided dolts.

My cheap, secondhand, anonymous, economical, spotless runaround was recently keyed by random vandals who had no appreciation of or interest in how much work went into buying, maintaining and keeping it in taxes, nor the pleasure I derived in owning something immaculate and driving something I had worked for so long to pay for. I'm sure they were thoroughly justified in their own minds, after all- it was conspicuous in that it was clean, so maybe it was "asking for it" and may have bragged about it amongst themselves until something more interesting came along. I see little difference between your actions and the actions of the nameless vandals of my car, except that your actions were premeditated. If you want to be an environmental "activist", I would suggest spending your time volunteering for something which improves the local environment, and being evangelical about it. Fitting insulation, or informing your neighbours of ways to reduce their energy expendature would both be more constructive use of "people power" than inconveniencing people who work for a living. Claiming your actions are somehow in the name of an environmental cause is disgusting in my opinion- you weaken the arguments of the environmentally sensitive everywhere.

Here's a novel idea. Go and do something useful, that requires some effort, that will actually HELP the world. Like my father-in-law, who, now retired, works several days a week with his local wildlife charity. What he does actually helps the local environment. Have you no concept of the consequences of your selfish, petty actions? A parent finds their child has become ill and needs to get them to hospital quickly, but someone's let the tyres down on their car. Climate change needs tackling on a global scale. Stupidity like this simply gets people's backs up and makes them even more entrenched in their position. If you REALLY have the courage of your convictions then talk to the owners of SUVs face to face, try and persuade them with reasoned argument, perhaps even friendly discussion. But I doubt you will, it is far easier, and cowardly, to skulk around. And you can feel nice and smug about it afterwards.

Great stuff!11! Now all you need do is find a way of disabling the whole of China with Mung beans. Woooh yeaaah!!!111!!!!1

what really annoys me is that these freaks do a great deal of damage to those who have a genuine interest in global warming issues - not that i'm a 'convert' they 'people' are operating their own agenda whether it be anti-capitalist or whatever if i ever catch one of them near my 4 x 4 then i will take action to protect my property as defined under the laws of this country

Just another form of terrorism, really. Only fundamentalists would target people and property because of their "beliefs"

So you've tried to teach 30 people a lesson by annoying them and putting peoples lives at risk - then annoying hundreds if not thousands more by advertising your crime on the internet? I think this one has really backfired guys! Can I make a serious point? If you don't like the system, if you want to change the system - the only real way is by being part of the system. The fact is no-one respects scruffy, dope adled, layabouts who rely on the system to pay their way through life and no one is going to listen to eco-terrorists who go out and break laws - This is going to HARM your case not strengthen it. The fact is some people, with-in the system, has tried to change things and now is using your message to make mega money from hard working people who, by the way the country works, have to drive cars - some times even you oh so hated 4x4s. These people are changing the world in a way that you guys will never do. For the worse in my opinion - they are messing up our economy, Which you probably think is a great thing. But you wont be so happy when we cant afford to fund your hippy life style, the organic mung bean shops close down and we have to revert to cheaper and dirtier fuels to live. I'm rambling - but I really do think you guys have got your message all muddled up. I too will be making a special effort to offset the dreaded CO2 which you have saved and the world needs to work (its a natural gas you idiots!) anyway I can. Good night - Im the house with all the lights blazing and the three (old but dirty) cars outside. xxxx

criminals. That's what you are. Luckily I have locking dust caps on my TVR that only does 6mpg and can only carry two. The Volvo 4x4 does 40mpg and carries me, the wife and 4 kids.

great! now all you need is to send in the clowns the help pump them back up with true clown fashion ... and the loop will be made. Similar to the Fuck the War smashing of recruitment office where a few clowns had planned to go offer they redecoration services commenting how horribly wrong those who break things are ... " we think this is a perfect opportunity to try some pink fluff one those walls" ... perhaps bring bike wheels to try and see how they could fit ... or make a giant SUV pump to help all those poor SUV drivers who no longer know how to get around without their giant motors.

No people carriers were targeted even if they are 4x4. I think SUV is a better way of referring to the 4x4 vehicles that were targeted. As for the locking dust-caps - thanks for the heads up! We will take a mole wrench along to pull out the whole valve of your 6mpg TVR tyre in that case, or a small knife to puncture the tyre! Perhaps we will glue the door-locks as well? You can rest assured that your people-carrier will not be targeted! :)

"No people carriers were targeted even if they are 4x4. I think SUV is a better way of referring to the 4x4 vehicles that were targeted. " Why not people carriers? They are larger then my 4x4 and less economical and crucially to you more expensive "As for the locking dust-caps - thanks for the heads up! We will take a mole wrench along to pull out the whole valve of your 6mpg TVR tyre in that case, or a small knife to puncture the tyre! Perhaps we will glue the door-locks as well?" So you are simply a vandal then "You can rest assured that your people-carrier will not be targeted! :)" Why not people carriers? They are larger then my 4x4 and less economical and crucially to you more expensive

What fun! This has nothing to do with saving the planet but everything to do with class hatred and the politics of envy. You want to stop Co2 emissions? You'll need a lot more than beans. You'll need millions of plastic bags to tie over trees and plants (they give off C02), thousands of square miles of plastic sheeting to put over the oceans (they emit C02) and lots of asbestos to plug the tops of volcanos. Oh, and yo know that stuff you breathe out? CO2. So if the pathetic idiots behind this ridiculous stunt really care about the Planet perhaps they could do their bit by putting plastic bags over their heads and holding their breath for say, oh, half an hour. After all, they have already proved themselves to be waste products of society.

Funny how it goes from armed with a mung bean to knives when people point out that the little prank may have backfired a little. You do sound like rather like a middle class ned.

There are better ways of getting your message across without resorting to petty vandalism, with (albeit a slim chance) potentially fatal consequences. I'm quite enjoying seeing how you are being riduculded for your petty, small minded attitudes and a manifesto clearly based on class hatred and envy. If you are upset about "toiling away in a shitty job" why not get an education and get a better one? there are some great opportunties in engineering working on renewable energy sources. Its a growing sector dont you know. Also something I would imagine would be close to your heart.

Nice to see how the protesters (no doubt in cars!) added to the dreaded CO2 by their actions. Picking on an allotment owner? Nice. It's the politics of envy and nothing more. For the record, I drive a 5 litre V8 with cheap car tax. Love it!

What if someone needed to be taken to hospital in the night? What if your idiotic behaviour had caused a serious traffic accident? You'd now be on a manslaughter charge. You're just a bunch of stupid, dull-minded, smug morons. Drones for the higher ups. If I ever catch you doing that to my car, I promise that I will kick your stupid teeth out and break your fingers.

so now we have andy wanting to kick someone's (anyone's?) teeth out and break people's fingers and another anonymous taking his car out to drive it fast in a fit of spite. Hope you're children don't get in their way! And I thought cars made you happy!

"Nice to see how the protesters (no doubt in cars!) added to the dreaded CO2 by their actions." You really can't conceive of any other way of moving around town that isn't a car. This gets better.

Read the article and entire thread before commenting it seems a shame that a somewhat worthy cause (the reduction of greenhouse gasses) has been co-opted by the silly "we hate anyone happier/richer/cleverer/luckier/better looking than us" crowd. I pity people like miserablist as his ire isn't aimed at a repressive elite but merely anyone he percieves as being better off than him. For the record miserablist I myself come from a working class mining background but am now relatively well off, and yes I do look down my nose at people like you.